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Why you don't get cell service at Snowshoe

post #1 of 20
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http://www.gb.nrao.edu/nrqz/nrqz.shtml

 

There is a 13,000 square mile dead zone for the government's satellitesin order for them to be able to listen the the atmosphere with out all the cell phone waves cluttering the air. 

post #2 of 20

Hmmm, I don't get cell phone service at Snowshoe because i quit going there several years ago, not because i didn't get cell service but because

post #3 of 20

I'm at Snowshoe right now from DC and there is NO Verizon service.  How 1988!!!!!!!  I won't come back here again.......too many other choices of places to go that in 2013.  It's windy, and I can't keep up with my business.  SUCKS!

post #4 of 20
^Not sure if you're serious or not...

Did you read the first post in this thread? If not, here you go.

Snowshoe is located in the National Radio Quiet Zone, which the FCC oversees. No cell service there because of possible interference with the satellites at Green Bank.

Keep in mind a ski resort can't help what the FCC mandates.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_National_Radio_Quiet_Zone


I actually rather enjoy going up there knowing I'm not going to have service and can truly just focus on skiing for however long I'm there.
Edited by Falco - 3/14/13 at 9:15am
post #5 of 20

I heard something about this on the lift at Blue Knob. It is quite interesting. Someone with more understanding of the technical jargon behind it able to explain the reasons for this. What exactly are they listening to/for that cell phones would interfere with? 

post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by tylrwnzl View Post

I heard something about this on the lift at Blue Knob. It is quite interesting. Someone with more understanding of the technical jargon behind it able to explain the reasons for this. What exactly are they listening to/for that cell phones would interfere with? 

 

This excerpt from the wiki link above probably actually has the most substance to it, but that's not saying alot because the whole article is a bit vague...

 

"The National Radio Quiet Zone protects the telescopes of the NRAO facility and the antennas and receivers of the U.S. Navy Information Operations Command (NIOC) at Sugar Grove, West Virginia. The NIOC at Sugar Grove has long been the location of electronic intelligence-gathering systems, and is today said to be a key station in the ECHELON system operated by the National Security Agency (NSA).[1]

 

The Quiet Zone was created by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in 1958 to protect the radio telescopes at Green Bank and Sugar Grove from harmful interference. Omnidirectional and high-power transmissions are restricted, however fixed transmitters which have beamed directional links that do not illuminate the sensitive radio telescopes and electronic intelligence-gathering stations there are allowed. As a result cell phone, etc. service is allowed throughout much of the NRQZ."

post #7 of 20

We were there over Christmas and again in Feb. AT&T installed a tower without first getting FCC approval and was forced to turn it off. I contacted the resort about this. Their IT Director informed me that they are going to install directional towers across the mountain in a step-up program to improve cellular service. First being AT&T then Verizon a year or two later. ALL of this is predicated on approval from the FCC but it is going to improve in the near future.

 

As to the comments about going elsewhere because of this....please do and take more with you. That way I won't have to dodge your "lack of talent" selves when I hit 80 mph  over on the Western Territory!

post #8 of 20

Greenbank has a radio telescope used by NASA for assorted research.  Looking out in space for very faint signals.  So very sensitive to any interference.  My brother is a geophysicist who works work data from radio telescopes around the world.  Used to go to Greenbank a lot when he was a grad student.

 

I would think it's the same reason an optical high power telescope is put someone in the middle of nowhere so that there are no artificial light sources around.

post #9 of 20

Cell phone towers are silenced to protect the local Sasquatch population there.  The high frequency signals cell phones emit are painful to the ears of Sasquatches. 

post #10 of 20

Can someone tell me if Wifi calling on iPhones allows calls in/out? I have Verizon, so I know they still don't have towers yet for me, but have never relied on Wifi calling so didn't know if it worked if absolutely no coverage as available. 

 

I have a cousin that asked me about the place, but he is expecting the birth of a child and needs to be "on call" for getting back home in case the kid comes early, so want to make sure he is going to have access to communications haha.

 

Thanks!

post #11 of 20

Seems like no cell phone signal while you're skiing would be a good thing.

post #12 of 20
If he is in a WiFi "zone" he will get all messages and be able to call & receive cellular
post #13 of 20

Awesome - all I needed to let him know. Thanks LabMan.

 

oldgoat - I think he would agree. But I think we would all agree it would be important for someone's wife to get a hold of them if they went into labor early.

 

Thanks!

post #14 of 20

I usually use Facetime on my Iphone while at Snowshoe....text messages work too on wifi.

post #15 of 20
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Awesome - all I needed to let him know. Thanks LabMan.

 

oldgoat - I think he would agree. But I think we would all agree it would be important for someone's wife to get a hold of them if they went into labor early.

 

Thanks!

only if the husband is also the OB. No friends or babies on powder days.

post #16 of 20

Our Site at Snowshoe is going well. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_ZLCdvziXA

post #17 of 20
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Our Site at Snowshoe is going well. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_ZLCdvziXA

Wow!  That's certainly going to make a difference for ATT customers who stay at Snowshoe going forward.  DAS (distributed antenna system) was installed along the LCC road a few years ago.  Definitely helpful for folks driving to Alta/Snowbird.

 

Sound in the NRAO Quiet Zone | AT&T

post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

Greenbank has a radio telescope used by NASA for assorted research.  Looking out in space for very faint signals.  So very sensitive to any interference.  My brother is a geophysicist who works work data from radio telescopes around the world.  Used to go to Greenbank a lot when he was a grad student.

 

I would think it's the same reason an optical high power telescope is put someone in the middle of nowhere so that there are no artificial light sources around.

Thats exactly the reason.  Light, radio waves, heat, xrays: all electromagnetic waves subject to the same set of Maxwell's equations.

 

Greenbank has the world's largest steerable radiotelescope- 330ft diameter!  If you go into the visitor's center at Greenbank, they have a very good explanation of the how and why, with a number of cool hands-on exhibits.  And there's a monitor listing exactly who is time-sharing the different telescopes, when, what they're looking for, and who they are funded by.

 

BTW, NIOC Sugar Grove closed a few years ago.

post #19 of 20

I still love Snowshoe! I always go mid week and have a blast. Past two Feb in a row we've gotten around 20"! Better conditions than when I was in Telluride 2 weeks before. It's a little different not having cell service but I can still check in back at the hotel on wifi and sometimes at the starbucks on the mountain. My work phone is no AT&T so I'm curious how good the signal is there.. Personally I have sprint and there's none. Can anyone comment on AT&T service? I'm guessing it just works in the village? Or all over? I usually stay at the Inn.

post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by RC1090nc View Post
 

I still love Snowshoe! I always go mid week and have a blast. Past two Feb in a row we've gotten around 20"! Better conditions than when I was in Telluride 2 weeks before. It's a little different not having cell service but I can still check in back at the hotel on wifi and sometimes at the starbucks on the mountain. My work phone is no AT&T so I'm curious how good the signal is there.. Personally I have sprint and there's none. Can anyone comment on AT&T service? I'm guessing it just works in the village? Or all over? I usually stay at the Inn.

 

Please see the video above. AT&T is the only carrier that works.

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