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Hello I was an advanced skier in late 80's. I have used vokl skis with titanium bindins 1.95 and they were just perfect.But after my freediving hobby I could not find spare times for skiing then.any way this year me and my family (I have a 3,5 old daughter) we bought tickets for a mountain holiday very soon..I am excited to see her skiing.But I have some thougts.concerns.

I went to a ski store and those shorter and wider skis are everywhere.so I dontknow what is the diffrences with my old wolkl skis.they look like skiin is easier with them.the guy in the store told the technigue with new skis are different.But i didnt understand very well the things he said.what is it reallay different?Can i use my old boots?i feel comfortable with them?I need some advices for that thanks advance

post #2 of 13

Skiing has changed in the same way that tennis has changed from the days of wooden rackets, the equipment today is in a different stratosphere of performance from what you used. This change has changed ski technique to the point that you would be doing yourself a favor by taking a ski lesson... but if you don't, it's still skiing. You will be able to just go ski and will be OK. I'd suggest not buying any skis until you get a feel for what newer gear is all about and how you will be using it.


Yes, you can use your old boots.


post #3 of 13

But you should get new boots too.

post #4 of 13

And it's possible a shop will refuse to mount bindings to your old boots.  I've had that happen to a friend of mine.  Toe and Heel pieces were too worn down.


Stick with more of a carving ski then an "all mountain" ski if you will not be skiing in powder or off-piste.   Get something around 70 under foot instead of in the 80's.  It'll make the change over in style easier I think.

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So when we arrive at the mountain.we will take ski lessons.Me my daughter and wife.for me to understand changing in skiing tehnique.ok.shall we take lessons all together?wife and daughter?everyone seperate?or daughter and me ,daughter only??my daughter is 1.05 mtrs.I will rent for her.what lenght and width they must be?does she need poles?Before in late 80's.I took many lessons for skiing.I was doing powderski off pist many times..and i really like moguls.also i like to ski on the icy areas of windy mountain. .but a lot of time happened and i have to choose the right ski now.but how i will rezerve a carving ski than a all mountain ski?what are the differences?"around 70 under foot instead of in the 80's. .." is that mean ski lenght must be 1.70-1.80 cmtrs?I am 1.79 cm thanks in advance

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sorry what happened to my latest post?thanks

post #7 of 13
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ok last post is already there.many thanks for those rapid responses torolleyes.gif my questions..


post #8 of 13

I won't claim expert status, but I do have a little experience skiing both old and new types of skis, so perhaps the following observations are pertinent.


If your old boots aren't packed out and fit snugly, then give them a good whack with a hammer.  If the hammer doesn't shatter them, put them on and flex them, one at a time as hard as you can.  If they don't fall apart, you should be good to go.


If you could ski your old skis when you put them up, you can ski them the same way now, or in about 20 minutes on the slope, after getting used to them again.


Changes required in technique to adapt to new skis very much depends on how you skied the old skis, and which new skis you get.  If you were arcing SG and ripping GS turns on the old skis by tipping them onto their edges, then you can carve turns the same way, but the turns will be tighter, a lot tighter if you get a SL sidecut.  One key difference is if you want to carve a fairly tight turn you used to have to decamber the front of your ski before tipping it and making it dig in; with the more shapely modern skis you just have to tip 'em and even if you keep your weight centered on the ski it will decamber automatically into a turn.  Nothing could be easier; tip skis right to go right; tip skis left to go left. 


Some skis will allow you to use all the old moves without complaint, some would prefer you keep the edges locked in.  Most of the "race" models prefer not to let the edges skid, though you can still force them to do so.  Most of the general purpose mid-level all mountain skis don't care, but don't give back much in the way of performance.


What to get/demo?  Depends on your skiing: If you like to ski fast, get a gs ski or ski with a gs-like radius (21+ m), make a lot of SL turns at speeds high enough to pull a couple of G forces, get a sl ski.  Ski slowly get a recreational ski with a SL (about 13 m) radius.  Ski powder, get a powder-specific ski.  Best bet is to rent/demo and get the best suited ski for everything you do without having to buy a quiver.


Definitely have new skiers start out on a good SL radius ski, but not a racing SL ski (requires too much speed to bend nicely, and things happen too fast for newbies to handle and learn from at that speed).


Hope that helps.


post #9 of 13

The difference in performance and technique between a 2010 and a 1990 ski is relatively the same difference in performance and technique there is between a 1960 ski and a 1980 ski. 

post #10 of 13

I was giving dimensions of the width of the ski underfoot.  A "fat" ski has a larger number her, a racing ski a smaller number.  All mountain skis try to be everything to everyone, but end up being not a lot of much. 


60-75 most carving skis

80-90 most all mountain skis

90-140 all kinds of big mountain, park, powder, rocker skis.


post #11 of 13

I didn't ski for about 12 years but was also an advanced level skier when I last skied.  My first day back I just got the standard rental kit in the ski shop.  Aside from the skis seeming ridiculously short from what I was used to (I used to ski 210-215mm skis and I think they gave me 170's), after one run I felt like it had only been one season since I had skied last.  Extremely confidence inspiring stuff.  


I don't think there's any need to take lessons at all to learn how to use the new skis.  Ski on them at least a day or so first to see how you feel.  If you were a good skier back then, you'll still be a good skier when you get on the new equipment now.


My advice:


Day 1, start with the basic rental gear in your ski shop.  Ski a day to get used to the new ski's (and possibly boots) and explore where you ability is now from where you remember it was back then.  


Day 2, if you're feeling comfortable with the new shorter ski's, go to the demo shop and try out several different advanced level ski's.  Ski at least several runs on each to get a feel for them.  Try "skinny" carvers,i.e 72 mm underfoot, fatter all-mountain ski's, or even some really fat powder skis if the conditions are appropriate for it.  


Most importantly, RELAX, and have fun!  The new equipment will help more than hurt you.  

post #12 of 13

I would advise you go directly to the advanced demos; the typical rentals are floppy and dangerous at speed and won't hold an edge in a hard turn.  I rented a pair a about a week and a half ago.  If you are skiing and used to it you can make do with rentals, compensating for their weaknesses, but if you are just getting back on skis and you remember being able to turn where and how you wanted to at speed, you could be in for some frustration with rentals.

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many thanks for your advices

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