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post #571 of 679
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
 

Related question on snowboards' build quality.

 

I was sitting on a bus across from a snowboarder, who was holding his board in such a way that I had a perfect edge-on view of it. I noticed that the board's thickness was "lumpy" in a way that didn't look intentional. You expect skis and boards to be thicker in the middle and taper to the tips of course, but on this board (and I few others I've scoped out since), the taper wasn't a smooth slope - it had subtle but visible "wave" formations.

 

Is that intentional, or an example of a shoddy manufacturing process?

 

That's Magne-traction (and intentional). It's similar to a serrated knife versus a smooth knife. It works great, especially on ice.

 

1. Towards the bottom: http://www.lib-tech.com/snowboarding/technology/

 

2. http://www.the-house.com/portal/magne-traction/

post #572 of 679

i don't think that this is true at all.  i am an expert level skier, and my favorite skiing is steep, cliff-ridden chutes with waist deep powder--pretty much the opposite of ski racing.  however, i also love to carve smoothly down long groomers and pistes.  i love the feeling of a good carving turn, dragging a hand on the ground, etc.  carving is actually one of my favorite things about skiing. i am neither a ski racer or instructor btw.

post #573 of 679
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post
 

 

That's Magne-traction (and intentional). It's similar to a serrated knife versus a smooth knife. It works great, especially on ice.

 

1. Towards the bottom: http://www.lib-tech.com/snowboarding/technology/

 

2. http://www.the-house.com/portal/magne-traction/

I've heard of that...but didn't think this was related. It was the thickness of the base material/board that was varied, not the width of the board to create serration along the sidecut.

 

To put a picture with it (this is just from Google, not the one I saw) - this part of the board didn't taper in thickness evenly:

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Maybe the two are related?

post #574 of 679
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Originally Posted by Phaethon View Post
 

It's quite common that carvers take good care of their boards. After all, their edges are precious and their board is all about this. I tune my board and skis myself, it's fun.

 

Usually these boards are very stiff, but it's not necessary that their material is the best out there. My Kessler alpine board, though shines quality from miles. The base is made with a structure, you can clearly see the ruts and the top sheet material and finishing of the edges is indeed sublime. But this is a racing board, exactly like the ones used for races (parallel slalom).

 

You can check this guy's insane tuning manual, for carving boards...

 

http://www.alpinecarving.com/tuning.html

 

(the whole website is unbelievable in terms of the knowledge shared, but since we talked about tuning, let's stick with that here)

 

I was referring to the quality of construction. I would expect the edges to be like those on race skis. Never dull or dinged on rocks.

 

This is the beginning of my work day so I can't spend much time on the carving tuning website, but I have bookmarked it for later. A very quick glance shows a wealth of detailed information.

post #575 of 679

There is an enormous wealth of information, although the graphics and aesthetics look outdated, but that's irrelevant.

 

Well, as far as the quality of construction, I have to say that my board has performed very well against impacts with rocks etc. The base has had its dings, but it's clearly of a very good material and easily fixed with the P-Tex, while also the edges have proved to be hard to bend, even in cases where the base has been torn till the edge itself. I really don't know about other brands, Kessler has been the only race-carving board I've owned, two years now.

post #576 of 679
Ugly skidded turns with poor body position and doubtful technique. But I suppose you enjoy it!
post #577 of 679
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
 

I've heard of that...but didn't think this was related. It was the thickness of the base material/board that was varied, not the width of the board to create serration along the sidecut.

 

To put a picture with it (this is just from Google, not the one I saw) - this part of the board didn't taper in thickness evenly:

21m7y10.jpg

 

Maybe the two are related?


i think that's just a flaw in manufacturing.  is it on a ski or a snowboard?

post #578 of 679
Magnetraction has nothing to do with thickness variations.
post #579 of 679
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Magnetraction has nothing to do with thickness variations.

No, it's side-to-side undulations.
post #580 of 679
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Originally Posted by ddsski View Post

?? Is it me or was this thread as irrelevant to true skill in 2011 as it is now? Throw in one more BS teaching need in 2016. WHAT'S WITH THE NO POLES PUNKS stdaightlining everything like they just snorted a vacuum bag full of meth??
PSIA has lost touch, instructors aren't paid sh!! So all we have left are retirees and college kids looking for a pass. God forbid they stand up for their members and plan a 1 day walkout on GWB to force industry wide pay raises. 9.75/hr as z levrl e is embarrassing, don't you think??
Thd whole rocker thinv is to make everything easier sl you can do 50-70 down every chute , scrub speed whdn you get too stupid, etc. Rocker also eliminated the need for anything widef than 100 underfoot, ever, if you wanf to experience real powder. JIMHO.

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Poles suck!


On the no poles deal.  Bump!

post #581 of 679

Here's Dustin Cook showing us how to carve (we aren't World Cup winners, but we all can ski using the same fundamental movements):

 

The ski makers are pushing narrow waisted skis now.  Everyone has a closet full of fat skis, so we need something new(?) to go out and buy.   The wide skis never were any good for 98% of what they were sold to do, but they were a great marketing move.

post #582 of 679

Really..........I still love to carve!

 

Maybe I need some help as well.  Note the title on this one.
 

post #583 of 679
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Really..........I still love to carve!




Maybe I need some help as well.  Note the title on this one.

 


Nice videos. That first one took some serious editing patience and skills. Good job. Enjoyed them both. For review? Looking for MA? Couple of things. You are not using ski poles. That makes your whole skiing look a little undiciplined and sloppy. It also forces you to scate to move on flats and gain speed in a childish way. Not that its bad to looke like a 8y old, the clothing adding to the appearance, but using poles would stable your upper body and arms and help you with rhythm. Now you ski like a snowboarder. You turn when you feel like it and you glide forwards a lot not doing anything. Also, what skis are you on? They carve yes but not very tight. I would like to see you on sl racing skis for tighter turns and bigger angles. Particularly sonce you dont use ski poles. I would like to see you drag your inside hand in the snow like in euro carving. Last, try not to lean over your inside ski that much. Javeline turns would help you out as a drill. All in all you have good flow and balance. And you have fun. Thats what really counts smile.gif .
post #584 of 679
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You are indeed a Master!  I ski with the park kids quite a bit too, so they respect me.  I took my wife's poles away a few years back and now she skis better than ever before!

Skiing without poles is really educational. They do good things for your skiing but also bad. I always have all my students start a lesson without poles. If you cant ski without poles then there are some fundamental flaws in your technique. Even great skiers for example rely on that inside ski pole dragging in the snow for balance. I know I did. But after skiing 95% of the time w/o poles for 10y when teaching kids on a bunny hill I kind of had that worked out of my system.
post #585 of 679
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You are indeed a Master!  I ski with the park kids quite a bit too, so they respect me.  I took my wife's poles away a few years back and now she skis better than ever before!

Skiing without poles is really educational. They do good things for your skiing but also bad. I always have all my students start a lesson without poles. If you cant ski without poles then there are some fundamental flaws in your technique. Even great skiers for example rely on that inside ski pole dragging in the snow for balance. I know I did. But after skiing 95% of the time w/o poles for 10y when teaching kids on a bunny hill I kind of had that worked out of my system.


Thanks for the review above.  I guess I'm doing CA (Continued Education).   In the videos I am on three different skis.  The shorter video was edited by the shooter.  The longer video was edited by me.  The skis were 147 at 10m, 162? at 13m for the longer video.  The short video I am on 178 with 18m I believe. 

Here is another that is not so hot of quality where I drag my hands a bit.  It's titled how to carve a turn.  You gotta' take that with a grain of salt!  Last time I posted this one I got basted pretty good.

post #586 of 679

As Jacques is aware, I agree with TDK except that I might swap out the word "childish" for "childlike" which is a fine quality to bring to these threads. It just can be a bit frustrating to witness due to that Jacques has skills but all of which will be kept under the developmental glass ceiling of skiing w/o poles. When skills are not allowed to develop vertically, such as in spiral learning, they still develop in but other directions not representative of skill enhancement. 

post #587 of 679
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As Jacques is aware, I agree with TDK except that I might swap out the word "childish" for "childlike" which is a fine quality to bring to these threads. It just can be a bit frustrating to witness due to that Jacques has skills but all of which will be kept under the developmental glass ceiling of skiing w/o poles. When skills are not allowed to develop vertically, such as in spiral learning, they still develop in but other directions not representative of skill enhancement. 


Ha ha.  Your awesome!   Years ago I did a low quality video of skiing with poles.  As you will see it didn't help me much.  I think I never learned how to use them. 
Here you go.

post #588 of 679

@Jacques , I'm sure you know that when tip into your turns, it forces your weight onto the inside ski. I think you do it on purpose and are having fun, so as long as you aren't wrecking because of it, so what!? The faster you go, though, the riskier the consequences. In a few turns I noticed you didn't simultaneously switch edges (you tip your new outside ski before releasing the old) which causes your skis to converge which can be a nuisance, particularly at the higher speeds you enjoy. Inside ski skiing is fun and can be quite entertaining. Here is someone that seems to enjoy skiing as much as you do, and you know what? He gets his weight on his inside ski on purpose, too!

 

 

and one of my favorites

 

 

You clearly are the epitome of 'skiing should be fun'

post #589 of 679

Ha ha!  Hansi is awesome for real!   ^  I have worked hard to maintain pressure on my inside ski!  I think it's a skill that has save my ass several times because I ski so crappy!

I started working more on my outside ski last season and will work on it more this season.

Much thanks Master Racer!

post #590 of 679

Being able to ski the inside ski certainly is an asset. The feeling of power from railing with pressure on the outside ski is inimitable. Mix it up and enjoy.

post #591 of 679
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post
 

Being able to ski the inside ski certainly is an asset. The feeling of power from railing with pressure on the outside ski is inimitable. Mix it up and enjoy.


Yes.  in·im·i·ta·ble.  Had to look that word up!  Working on skis in the shop and stoking for the season to start!  I love to mix and mash!  Skied since I was 10 years old, but not that much for the early years as I have as of years of late.  Always something new to learn and practice.  That's what I love about the sport.
 

Just the spins!  Yes, I'm a piece of ham!


 

post #592 of 679
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
 
 

Nice videos. That first one took some serious editing patience and skills. Good job. Enjoyed them both. For review? Looking for MA? Couple of things. You are not using ski poles. That makes your whole skiing look a little undiciplined and sloppy. It also forces you to scate to move on flats and gain speed in a childish way. Not that its bad to looke like a 8y old, the clothing adding to the appearance, but using poles would stable your upper body and arms and help you with rhythm. Now you ski like a snowboarder. You turn when you feel like it and you glide forwards a lot not doing anything. Also, what skis are you on? They carve yes but not very tight. I would like to see you on sl racing skis for tighter turns and bigger angles. Particularly sonce you dont use ski poles. I would like to see you drag your inside hand in the snow like in euro carving. Last, try not to lean over your inside ski that much. Javeline turns would help you out as a drill. All in all you have good flow and balance. And you have fun. Thats what really counts smile.gif .

Ha ha!  It's all about the "clothing"!   It's got to be a one piece!   Childish am i for real.  Just had to come back to this one.  Thanks again.

post #593 of 679

"The only people who want to carve any more..."

was the start of this Five Year Old Thread... I was surprised to see it back from the dead and amused to seee where it had gone.  If we're gonna talk about carving; why bring in snowboards at all.  So i'm throwin' this into the mix:

2016-17 Nordica Spitfire 168cm. Prescience !

This may sound like I am making this up; like I only imagined I was actually in the future. I assure you; like Clarice Starling in 'Contact'; I was outfitted and locked into the pod of the Japanese/Nordica machine, dropped into the spinning rings, and just disappeared... Arroway insists that she was gone for approximately 18 hours. I on the other hand could actually see r =15 meters farther into my future. Blow my mind, again.

At first this ski felt damp and slow and not very variable in its arc because they had a verrry flat base bevel; I would go to .5 or bit more for a looser feel. This magically changed when I got tuned in and turned-on and passed through the hyper-space worm-hole and entered the world of the future. There I found this mag-lev space-ship ...probably the Pagani space-ship of the future-singularity. I added on more than a few Kph and the grip and beyond-damping PsychicBionics just took over as I imagined 'my line' projected into the near-future.

As 5,000-vert test-runs go it was a bit strange on Upper PeaktoCreek with some flat-fog-and-rime over a few cms of new, warmish, snow that was scraped off into some harder surface and a few afternoon lumps. And then we hit the valley fog which stuck and obscured anything- but didn't matter too much; these things are so smooth.

Factoids: Dealer day demos on the Dave Murray timing-flats. Nice rep named Vince. 168cm and a 15meter radius. Not sure of dimensions but 70-or so under foot. The Nordica EDT device is now a thing of the Past and now the body of the ski is Titanal with a Forebody and Tail of Carbon. What a package and even better damping ! I was flying by wire. Amazing.

Me: 180lbs on a good day; 5'10. 'Expert' 150days/year.

This year's new ski is a Fischer RC4 RC 175cm... It is so good it deserves its own review: "Just a bit better; so I can be smug". 

But this could now be a machine of the past after the Spitfire. In fact most of these skis   http://www.epicski.com/t/128733/more-mag-lev-lasers-fischer-superior-pro-and-rc4-firearrow-84-edt-and-some-civilian-saloms  are now 'in the past'.

post #594 of 679
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post
 

"The only people who want to carve any more..."

was the start of this Five Year Old Thread... I was surprised to see it back from the dead and amused to seee where it had gone.  If we're gonna talk about carving; why bring in snowboards at all.  So i'm throwin' this into the mix....

 

Perhaps because serious snow carving machines were first snowboards. A hard boot setup and a carving board can still lay trenches like nothing else.

post #595 of 679
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Originally Posted by MastersRacer View Post
 

 

Perhaps because serious snow carving machines were first snowboards. A hard boot setup and a carving board can still lay trenches like nothing else.

 

Yep, they even call them "carving boards" and have schooling for it:

 

 

post #596 of 679
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Originally Posted by Toecutter View Post
 

 

Yep, they even call them "carving boards" and have schooling for it:

 

 

Just cuz... ;)

post #597 of 679
Nice turn.

You don't even need skis OR a board to carve:

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Edited by Toecutter - 10/24/16 at 1:33pm
post #598 of 679
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Originally Posted by g-force View Post

This year's new ski is a Fischer RC4 RC 175cm... It is so good it deserves its own review: "Just a bit better; so I can be smug". 

 

Second that. I liked the 2015 so much I got a 185 as well, for this year. 

 

And I did give it its own review: http://www.effectiveskiing.com/wiki/carving-blog/Review_Fischer_RC4_WorldCup_RC_Pro_2015

 

:beercheer:

post #599 of 679

The Fischer CURV isn't a slacker, either. I skied them near the end of last season and they ripped.

post #600 of 679

Body carving!

 

 

No idea what he is saying in the video.

 

LOL guy at 4:00 is pretty good:

 

 

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