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post #1 of 10
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I just bought these skis (Check the Topic) and have to say i am pretty darnn excited. I used to ride Solomons and Fischer but after hearing so many great things about "Head" skis, i decided to take a plunge with my wallet. Now here is the thing. I am a 6'3 guy type III skier, and I got these skis in 170cm size. I used to ski on 180's and thought those were way to long. I then switched to 175 and it seemed ok. Now I went down to 170... Now I am bit worried that I might have made a mistake. I am afraid about stability at high speeds, however I noticed all slalom and GS skiers definitely use shorter skis on the world cup.  Slalom skiers are really short, chin size. This is where my "Head" skis measure up to me. Just above my chin.  

 

BTW i am new to this site and find it awesome so far :)  Will be great being part of the community.

 

Darko

post #2 of 10

Wecome. Would help to know your weight. Normally I'd say that you went a length too short. But the reviews of the Titan all emphasize that the KERS tech changes things, whatever you normally ski on in iM 78 Heads (if you're thin, probably 177, if you're heavy probably 184), go down a length. It's a hypercarver pretending to be an all mountain, and apparently doing a good job at it. 

post #3 of 10
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My weight is 215. And like i said 180 was too big for me in my opinion. 175 on fishers was good, but as you said with all new tech on supershapes i didn't mind going 170 instead of 177, for easier carving if stability doesn't become an issue. I began debating this topic after i got home with them :) LOL

 

Darko

post #4 of 10

Darko -

 

The length of the ski (within reason) does not determine stability. Each ski is a tool for a specific type of turn, especially when you start looking at racing skis.

 

For example:

 

Slalom skis have a radius ~13M

GS skis have a turn radius ~27M 

SG/ DH + 40M I believe.

 

The larger the turn radius the more stability at speed but the more speed you need for the ski to "come alive" thus limiting your terrain. The ski you reference is designed for aggressive turns. Roll the ski on edge and begin rolling it back the other way. From looking at the ski online its a 14.6 radius @ 170 meaning it has less turn to it than a pure bread slalom ski but much turnier than a race giant slalom ski. From what I hear: this is a GREAT ski! Wide will allow you to float on top of crud while the radius and shape will let you rip turns when its smooth. I wouldn't stress about it not being stable at speed - don't get me wrong, I would not flatbottom this ski like a twin tip but you'll be getting nice arcs with some speed.

 

Have you skied it yet? This ski is meant to emulate fast to medium race turns. Where do you ski? East Coast / West Coast? Just for reference: This ski is based off of the iSupershape Speed which had a 15M radius at 170; a ski designed to be less turnie and more stable at speed than the slalom inspired iSupershape.

 

If your looking for an even more stable ski at speed look for a "cheater" GS ski. 18M turn radius. I love my 25M 183 Head iGS. Great skis on steep empty mountain but are no fun on anything less than a black diamond and empty run.

post #5 of 10
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Originally Posted by DarkoI View Post

My weight is 215. And like i said 180 was too big for me in my opinion. 175 on fishers was good, but as you said with all new tech on supershapes i didn't mind going 170 instead of 177, for easier carving if stability doesn't become an issue. I began debating this topic after i got home with them :) LOL

 

Darko


 

O' and the length is right. I believe in the supershape lines (supershape, supershape speed) 170 is referenced as the "money" length for years going back to '06? Get the ski tuned to 1 degree base 3 degree side (may already come that way?) - if you want earlier hook up you can go to .7. I have my supershapes (170 & 12.1 radius) at .7 and LOVE IT. 170 is a great length, you'll learn a lot about carving. It's basically a race room ski. Ski it, you'll love it. Don't think about it any more till you make your first turns on it; after that if your not happy I'll be happy to recommend a cheater GS ski for you. smile.gif

post #6 of 10
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Originally Posted by DavidKramar View Post

This ski is based off of the iSupershape Speed which had a 15M radius at 170; a ski designed to be less turnie and more stable at speed than the slalom inspired iSupershape.


Uh, except that the Titan has a 13.5 m radius at 170, closer to the SS than the Speed. And everyone who's skied it has remarked on how turny it is for a 79 mm ski. th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #7 of 10

Its a race ski; its going to turn. That's the point, no? I don't know of any other performance ski which is waisted at 79 - you can't compare a race ski to a twin or general purpose all mountain ski in my opinion. And you're right; I don't know where I saw 14.6 @ 170. I've heard great things about the ski; Darkol has to try it. In any event, as I said, its designed for fast to medium paced turns. At 13.5 @ 170 its a slalom ski but I'm sure it will be great. I learned to carve on the iSupershape 12.1 @ 170! lol

 

Darko - give it a couple runs and see how you like it. Its going to be a great ski, I'm sure.

 

Lengths: 156 / 163 / 170 / 177
Radius: 13.5 @ 170
Sidecut: 128/78/114 @ 170
Bindings: HEAD Freeflex Pro 14 wide brake (white/black)
Features:

  • KERS
  • Intelligence Technology
  • Race structured UHM C base
  • Worldcup Sandwich Construction
  • Speed Plate +(13)

Edited by DavidKramar - 1/6/11 at 1:00pm
post #8 of 10

Hi, DarkoI.

 

Today was about my 30th day on i.Titans this season.  I'm more and more impressed with them every day.  

 

They are plenty turny but they also will go very, VERY fast without any stability issues (to help establish credibility on the speed claim, I've been clocked at 70mph+ in citizen downhill races).  

 

I got the 177cm length (I weigh 195#), but I also spent a couple of days on the 170cm and didn't feel any huge difference in stability on hard snow at speed.  I chose the 177 because the i.Titan is my "everyday" ski at Jackson Hole and that includes a lot of off-piste skiing in mild powder/chop as well as moguls, so the extra length gives me a bit more platform for soft snow.  

 

This has been a very snowy year at JH and we've had a LOT of powder days.  Most of them have been days of less than 10" of new snow.  Even though I have extremely good powder skis (the Head Jerry in the 191cm), I'm more and more finding myself riding the i.Titans even on ordinary powder days because they seem to work pretty well in medium powder and they work SO darned well on groomers/crud and in the bumps.

 

This has become my favorite "everyday" ski.  Ever.

 

Have fun on them.

 

Disclaimer: I'm a mountain rep for Head.

 

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thank you for all the input guys. Helped me allot. I just measured my old skis to to the new once. To give you a example. My old fishers measure up to bottom of my nose. Titan's measure up just above my chin. So i think I am ok? I do go to mammoth which is also powdery, but I mostly do on-piste running. Powder only from time to time. Do you guys think I will be ok in deeper snow with 170? Down the road I wanna get a proper powder ski then i'll switch them out depending on conditions. I AM DYING TO try them but can't until next thursday.. :( 

 

Again thank you for all the help. You guys are great. 

 

post #10 of 10

I'm in New England, not too many "powder days" and we're used to skiing on crud.

I demo'ed the I.magnums last week at Cannon Mt.

Yowsa - VERY stable and VERY fast. My old skis are '02 Atomic 9.18 beta carves, more of an all mountain ski but they're dead. I loved the Magnums (170cm), only problem is I'm 51 and probably shouldn't be skiing that fast!

I'm thinking of trying the I.titans this weekend to see how they compare.I'm 5' 11" , 195 and a pretty darn good skiier.

Any other suggestions will be appreciated

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