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post #1 of 16
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Ok, so I lied. It was amazing but didn't come close to living up to the hype. Just fyi, I went back in December

There were a few things I loved

  • Riding primrose path and silver fox from top to bottom
  • Nearly every run off of the cirque traverse (particularly wilbere bowl, dalton's drawl, gad chutes)
  • Runs off of high baldy traverse
  • Runs directly under gad 2 and trees to skiers right under.

 

Complaints:

  • Amounts of runs that were closed ( on days where everything but the top part of east castle at alta was open). I understand the need for safety, but on a day where the baldy chutes were open, I just didn't expect that much to be closed....
  • All of tiger bowl and entire little cloud bowl (including road to provo).
  • Also, the bookends were also closed (wtf?)
  • Snow in mineral (miserable?) basin was terrible. Heavy as balls... Saw people actually get stuck.
  • Too many traverses in woods that went absolutely no where. "runs" like black forest and carbonate felt like akin to traversing from the bottom of gunsight to the cat track under high rustler (don't ask :().
  • Cirque traverse was rocky as hell. Mats or something would have been fantastic, wtf snowbird? Had to do serious repair work to my skis.
  • Blackjack (seriously, worst run of my life. Makes the run out off of glory hole seem fantastic)
  • The tram smelled like a foot

 

 

Bottom line:

I enjoyed my 2 days there, but the fact is, the amount of advanced terrain and quality of snow (this may have been a function of the days I was there) just didn't come remotely close to comparing with what alta has.

Nothing in my mind touched on the pure epicness of certain alta areas (supreme bowl, the backside, eddies, devil's castle, baldy, east castle...)

 

post #2 of 16
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  • The tram smelled like a foot

 

Chuckle! I hear you. In fact I tended to avoid the tram whenever possible and take chairs. It's crowded and for some reason people think you don't need to wash ski gear.

 

I do so wish they would wash their ski gear.
 

post #3 of 16

You need to try it again later in the season.   Alta typically has more terrain open early and is a lot less rocky.   

post #4 of 16

mineral basin is a tourist trap.

 

only gaper tourist rock their skis on the cirque traverse

 

the runs were closed due to new snow and avy danger.

 

go back to atla and make more epic bumps runs.

post #5 of 16
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You need to try it again later in the season.   Alta typically has more terrain open early and is a lot less rocky.   

 

Most definitely will. Thanks
 

At least based on my observations, it definitely seems like snowbird needs a bigger base to truly be enjoyed than Alta.

 

 

@bushwackerinPA

I'd expect a ski instructor to be a bit more respectful. You are dependent on beginner skiers for a living. You should welcome them, not shun them.

Of course a tourist is more likely to be affected by rocks. They don't know the terrain/the best way to avoid problem spots.

I'm sorry if my post offended you in some way. Was more of meant to be a humorous observation.

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You need to try it again later in the season.   Alta typically has more terrain open early and is a lot less rocky.   

 

Most definitely will. Thanks
 

At least based on my observations, it definitely seems like snowbird needs a bigger base to truly be enjoyed than Alta.

 

 

@bushwackerinPA

I'd expect a ski instructor to be a bit more respectful. You are dependent on beginner skiers for a living. You should welcome them, not shun them.

Of course a tourist is more likely to be affected by rocks. They don't know the terrain/the best way to avoid problem spots.

I'm sorry if my post offended you in some way. Was more of meant to be a humorous observation.


I dont ever shun a lesson. its just complaining about things you dont know about on a online forum and proclaiming a place you know better is better just because you know it better. that is why I posted the first one.

 

The bird is not for faint of heart or the easily bruised ego. The main difference between the bird and nearly every other skis area is this. You go to Deer Valley to feel good about your skiing, you go the bird to know your a good skier.

post #7 of 16

I've dinged skis at both Snowbird and Alta. I've also been happily getting untracked knee deep laps in at Alta all morning with 150 powder buddies while Snowbird was in lock down for avy control and the canyon was closed due to a slide (that, ah, came down both in front of and behind me while I was getting there at 8AM to beat the slide closing). Local knowledge goes a long way toward enhancing the experience at both resorts. You either get someone to show you or you have to learn the hard way. Locals know to skip the tram when it's crowded, but when it's not crowded doing laps off the tram is simply EPIC! The reality is that the resorts are next door neighbors and as such, there really is not that much difference in snow conditions or terrain. The biggest difference I've found is that when avy control is necessary, Alta generally gets you skiing earlier than the Bird because they can gradually open terrain while the Bird has a tougher time making their base areas safe.

 

At the risk of being called a tourist gaper, I've also found some fun lines in Mineral Basin including low angle unskiable untracked sun baked super glue. Mineral Basin also tends to corn up quicker than the front side but that's generally not a benefit in December.

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You need to try it again later in the season.   Alta typically has more terrain open early and is a lot less rocky.   

 

Most definitely will. Thanks
 

At least based on my observations, it definitely seems like snowbird needs a bigger base to truly be enjoyed than Alta.

 

 

@bushwackerinPA

I'd expect a ski instructor to be a bit more respectful. You are dependent on beginner skiers for a living. You should welcome them, not shun them.

Of course a tourist is more likely to be affected by rocks. They don't know the terrain/the best way to avoid problem spots.

I'm sorry if my post offended you in some way. Was more of meant to be a humorous observation.


I dont ever shun a lesson. its just complaining about things you dont know about on a online forum and proclaiming a place you know better is better just because you know it better. that is why I posted the first one.

 

The bird is not for faint of heart or the easily bruised ego. The main difference between the bird and nearly every other skis area is this. You go to Deer Valley to feel good about your skiing, you go the bird to know your a good skier.


 

As I said before, my original post was meant to be my personal observation and a tourists perspective of snowbird. It wasn't nor was it meant to be a statement of fact. No where in the post did I even attempt to give a definitive answer. I thought that my post made this clear. I am by no means attempting to say that I know more about any of these ski areas than any of the other posters here. I also was by no means coming here to complain. Perhaps I should have titled it negative observations?

 

Just out of curiosity though, given these conditions, which resort (between alta and snowbird) would you have said had more skiable advanced terrain?

  • little cloud bowl, tiger bowl, the bookends, living the dream and parts of high baldy traverse closed
  • mineral basin virtually unskiable
  • all but east castle open at alta

 

 

 

p.s. I will confess that my post was made in part to get a reaction from a specific member of these forums, whom if i recall correctly happens to hail from the same state as you. Unfortunately, it appears that this specific person either didn't take the bait or hasn't had the fortune of coming across this post yet.

 

 

 

 

post #9 of 16

Perhaps I don't know Alta that well, but in the time that I've skied Snowbird and Alta, I'd say there is no comparison in their terrain:  Snowbird has far better terrain than what I've skied at Alta.  Snowbird is a skier's mountain, with lots of tight steeps.  There's a bit of that at Alta, but nowhere near as much.  Perhaps I need someone to show me the goods at Alta, but as of now, I'd rather ski the 'Bird.

 

Mike

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Perhaps I don't know Alta that well, but in the time that I've skied Snowbird and Alta, I'd say there is no comparison in their terrain:  Snowbird has far better terrain than what I've skied at Alta.  Snowbird is a skier's mountain, with lots of tight steeps.  There's a bit of that at Alta, but nowhere near as much.  Perhaps I need someone to show me the goods at Alta, but as of now, I'd rather ski the 'Bird.

 

Mike

 

I guess it depends on what you consider steep/good terrain. Generally though, you'll like the areas you know the terrain better.

For whatever reason, a lot of great alta terrain seems to get absolutely overlooked.

 

Here are some of the better areas at alta in my mind. I'm sure there's plenty I've overlooked. I'm not entirely sure how this compares to snowbird.

 

Supreme Lift (from skiers right to left):

  • Catherine's area: Generally flat but there are steeper lines in the trees, Ski cliffs under sunset, runs from the ridge into supreme bowl, runs before you get to the top of the ridge (sidewinder, back forty ...). These runs are harder to find, you're better off having someone show you the way.
  • Supreme bowl area: Lots of steep chutes, particularly in spiny chutes area. Gets steeper and thinner the further you traverse out.
  • Piny glade: many steep narrow chutes in trees. Generally thinner and steeper than spiny chutes.
  • Just about every chute in supreme challenge and white sqaw area, under the lift, ....
  • East Castle/evergreen area (amazing terrain but requires quite a bit of work and is rarely open)
  • Castle Apron: Also requires quite a bit of work

 

Sugarloaf:

  • Devil's castle: Requires a fair amount of work but there are nice steep runs over by the wall.
  • Glory hole area: Several very steep thin runs
  • Baldy Chutes (Requires long hike)
  • Cecret Saddle (chutes off of traverse past the lake)

 

Collins:

  • West rustler (every chute in wooded area, stone crusher, lone pine)
  • North Rustler: High rustler, eagle's nest, regal chute, entire surrounding area
  • Backside area: (upper yellow trail, runs off of high notch chute chute, eddies, gunsight, high greeley),
  • Area under old Germania lift: fred's trees, race course, fred's slot, ...
  • Chutes off of high main street
  • Baldy shoulder area
  • There's a few short steep lines off of ridge in between nina's and schuss gully

 

Wildcat

  • Wildcat trees (chutes off of ridge line)
  • Wildcat liftline (waterfall, bear paw, ...)
  • There are some very steep and thin lines off of bear paw into wildcat trees (steilhang comes to mind, there's a few others as well)

 

 

 

 


 

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Perhaps I don't know Alta that well, but in the time that I've skied Snowbird and Alta, I'd say there is no comparison in their terrain:  Snowbird has far better terrain than what I've skied at Alta.  Snowbird is a skier's mountain, with lots of tight steeps.  There's a bit of that at Alta, but nowhere near as much.  Perhaps I need someone to show me the goods at Alta, but as of now, I'd rather ski the 'Bird.

 

Mike

 

I guess it depends on what you consider steep/good terrain. Generally though, you'll like the areas you know the terrain better.

For whatever reason, a lot of great alta terrain seems to get absolutely overlooked.

 

Here are some of the better areas at alta in my mind. I'm sure there's plenty I've overlooked. I'm not entirely sure how this compares to snowbird.

 

Supreme Lift (from skiers right to left):

  • Catherine's area: Generally flat but there are steeper lines in the trees, Ski cliffs under sunset, runs from the ridge into supreme bowl, runs before you get to the top of the ridge (sidewinder, back forty ...). These runs are harder to find, you're better off having someone show you the way.
  • Supreme bowl area: Lots of steep chutes, particularly in spiny chutes area. Gets steeper and thinner the further you traverse out.
  • Piny glade: many steep narrow chutes in trees. Generally thinner and steeper than spiny chutes.
  • Just about every chute in supreme challenge and white sqaw area, under the lift, ....
  • East Castle/evergreen area (amazing terrain but requires quite a bit of work and is rarely open)
  • Castle Apron: Also requires quite a bit of work

 

Sugarloaf:

  • Devil's castle: Requires a fair amount of work but there are nice steep runs over by the wall.
  • Glory hole area: Several very steep thin runs
  • Baldy Chutes (Requires long hike)
  • Cecret Saddle (chutes off of traverse past the lake)

 

Collins:

  • West rustler (every chute in wooded area, stone crusher, lone pine)
  • North Rustler: High rustler, eagle's nest, regal chute, entire surrounding area
  • Backside area: (upper yellow trail, runs off of high notch chute chute, eddies, gunsight, high greeley),
  • Area under old Germania lift: fred's trees, race course, fred's slot, ...
  • Chutes off of high main street
  • Baldy shoulder area
  • There's a few short steep lines off of ridge in between nina's and schuss gully

 

Wildcat

  • Wildcat trees (chutes off of ridge line)
  • Wildcat liftline (waterfall, bear paw, ...)
  • There are some very steep and thin lines off of bear paw into wildcat trees (steilhang comes to mind, there's a few others as well)

 

 

 

 


 


 

You make a lot of Powerpoints at work or somethin'?

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Perhaps I don't know Alta that well, but in the time that I've skied Snowbird and Alta, I'd say there is no comparison in their terrain:  Snowbird has far better terrain than what I've skied at Alta.  Snowbird is a skier's mountain, with lots of tight steeps.  There's a bit of that at Alta, but nowhere near as much.  Perhaps I need someone to show me the goods at Alta, but as of now, I'd rather ski the 'Bird.

 

Mike

 

I guess it depends on what you consider steep/good terrain. Generally though, you'll like the areas you know the terrain better.

For whatever reason, a lot of great alta terrain seems to get absolutely overlooked.

 

Here are some of the better areas at alta in my mind. I'm sure there's plenty I've overlooked. I'm not entirely sure how this compares to snowbird.

 

Supreme Lift (from skiers right to left):

  • Catherine's area: Generally flat but there are steeper lines in the trees, Ski cliffs under sunset, runs from the ridge into supreme bowl, runs before you get to the top of the ridge (sidewinder, back forty ...). These runs are harder to find, you're better off having someone show you the way.
  • Supreme bowl area: Lots of steep chutes, particularly in spiny chutes area. Gets steeper and thinner the further you traverse out.
  • Piny glade: many steep narrow chutes in trees. Generally thinner and steeper than spiny chutes.
  • Just about every chute in supreme challenge and white sqaw area, under the lift, ....
  • East Castle/evergreen area (amazing terrain but requires quite a bit of work and is rarely open)
  • Castle Apron: Also requires quite a bit of work

 

Sugarloaf:

  • Devil's castle: Requires a fair amount of work but there are nice steep runs over by the wall.
  • Glory hole area: Several very steep thin runs
  • Baldy Chutes (Requires long hike)
  • Cecret Saddle (chutes off of traverse past the lake)

 

Collins:

  • West rustler (every chute in wooded area, stone crusher, lone pine)
  • North Rustler: High rustler, eagle's nest, regal chute, entire surrounding area
  • Backside area: (upper yellow trail, runs off of high notch chute chute, eddies, gunsight, high greeley),
  • Area under old Germania lift: fred's trees, race course, fred's slot, ...
  • Chutes off of high main street
  • Baldy shoulder area
  • There's a few short steep lines off of ridge in between nina's and schuss gully

 

Wildcat

  • Wildcat trees (chutes off of ridge line)
  • Wildcat liftline (waterfall, bear paw, ...)
  • There are some very steep and thin lines off of bear paw into wildcat trees (steilhang comes to mind, there's a few others as well)

 

 

 

 


 


 

You make a lot of Powerpoints at work or somethin'?


a few, mostly excel modules though.

and yes, I am still at work. Need a new job....

post #13 of 16
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. Need a new job....



Like Ski bum?

I hear its a noble way of life biggrin.gif

 

I thought your account of Snowbird was a bit tongue in cheek and a bit honest from your experience.  I skied Snowbird one day when I was in Utah last year and liked it a lot until I sent to the tram...most everything off the tram was sun baked freshies that were sorta fun to ski but just wore me out......meanwhile, the other side of the Mt was shaded and served up the goods until last chair.

 

As always YMMV

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Perhaps I don't know Alta that well, but in the time that I've skied Snowbird and Alta, I'd say there is no comparison in their terrain:  Snowbird has far better terrain than what I've skied at Alta.  Snowbird is a skier's mountain, with lots of tight steeps.  There's a bit of that at Alta, but nowhere near as much.  Perhaps I need someone to show me the goods at Alta, but as of now, I'd rather ski the 'Bird.

 

Mike

 

I guess it depends on what you consider steep/good terrain. Generally though, you'll like the areas you know the terrain better.

For whatever reason, a lot of great alta terrain seems to get absolutely overlooked.

 

Here are some of the better areas at alta in my mind. I'm sure there's plenty I've overlooked. I'm not entirely sure how this compares to snowbird.

 ... 

 

I always thought Alta was a traverser's mountain. wink.gif

 

Hey, I'll take either! ...but I'd really like to try the 'bird.

 

of course there's my marketing slogan:

"Snowbird!

When you're ready to spend more time going down the mountain then across it."

post #15 of 16

Not a bad tagline.  But I think their current one is pretty good:  "Snowbird:  More Steeps.  More Snow.  More Season."  It's a pretty special place.  I still like Jackson and Big Sky better.  Not sure about Snowbasin, as I only skied there one day in a incredibly heavy and wet snowstorm.  But it looks like it has promise.

 

Alta, for me, was kind of take it or leave it.

 

Mike

post #16 of 16

The bird an alta have a lot in common and a lot of differences. Most are obvious some are subjective, as is the term "better"

 

On an off day (for whatever reason) your not going to have a super positive feeling about any resort. On a day when everything is perfect you leave thinking " that place is awesome". Go to a small, off beat, non headlining ski area on a deep dry powder day.......then tell me how great the place was.  The truth is the place wasn't that great THE DAY WAS.  the reverse is the same. Great resort, shitty day..you get the picture. Resort ratings are given with the variables of the day included in the opinion. All the rest of this banter is opinion based on personal bias...we all give our opinion based on that. Really guys  I took the thread starters post for what it was... a less than stellar review for a less than stellar day.... with a bit of humor an sarcasm.....i got it ....i think most would. It doesn't really have to be "mines better than yours ". I think we can all find pros and cons for most anywhere. Perella hits the bird just right..that opinion changes. Bottom line...... both great places !


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