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post #31 of 126

"Regarding the skiing on the hard pistes (moments when you have to come from off piste run to the lift again or when you have to approach to the helicopter on the bottom of the big mountain close to the fjord where the snow is not snow but ice ) these skis are amazing. You can and you must trust them and ski like you do it on the short slalom racing skis."

 

If you ever skied the S7 on real hardpack you know this is complete and total nonsense (much less ice). Yes, yes, you have 500 days on them but still have (apparently) no clue.

 

Anyway Borat, nice try but the Rossi shilling makes you appear far less than legit. There's another new guy here who swears by the Volkl AC30 for just about everything (rolleyes.gif), you guys out to team up and you could be the wild and crazy guys of gapic. And while I liked the S7 in deep pow, if you think it's the best ski ever for big mountain, well, you need to try a LOT more skis.

 

You should probably take this to Alpinezone and tell them this is THE Stratton ski - they wouldn't know any better.

post #32 of 126
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snowfun

 

have you tried S7? Honestly... ?

Write down this message; In 3 years this concept (no matter who will be the producer) will rule the market and ski slopes all over the world.  Because of simple reason - s7 concept skis offer the most versatile use in sense of free ride skiing. Widest spectrum of usage. Fact.

This weekend I am going to picture video and will post the link from Youtube where I will prove you how good skis can be even on hard pack terrain. And than you can cry.

post #33 of 126
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for the mean time some pictures of our team vacation (me in green - frog color) and skiing in BC Canada in week 12 of 2010 season in Last Frontier Heliskiing...;

 

http://www.lastfrontierheli.com/content/photo.php?year=2010&ssp=70

post #34 of 126

I think that I would look good on a pair of s7.  Thanks for the wonderful review zok.  How long have you been with Rossi.

post #35 of 126

I don't think you can say a ski is "the best" if you have not tried every ski available in the exact same conditions for the same amount of time.  Even then, you could only say that they are the best for you.

 

I have been on my S7's about 10 days so far.  The days I have skied on any of my 2 other off-piste oriented skis, I have thought to myself "this would be better on my S7's".  So far I find them to be much more versatile than I would have ever expected.  Can't wait to get out on them more.  The design innovation is well thought out & really works IMHO.  I have owned many Rossignol skis over the years, but have no affiliation.

 

Victor & JF on No Name 001.JPG

 

One of the many things I like about these skis is that the are easier on my aging bones.

 

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JF

post #36 of 126

Nice photo, 4ster!  Where? 

post #37 of 126
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Nice photo, 4ster!  Where? 


Thanks,
Ewetah, a few days before Christmas.

JF

post #38 of 126
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snowfun

 

have you tried S7? Honestly... ?

Write down this message; In 3 years this concept (no matter who will be the producer) will rule the market and ski slopes all over the world.  Because of simple reason - s7 concept skis offer the most versatile use in sense of free ride skiing. Widest spectrum of usage. Fact.

This weekend I am going to picture video and will post the link from Youtube where I will prove you how good skis can be even on hard pack terrain. And than you can cry.


Dear genius - I've been on S7's. They're excellent in pow, and I really enjoyed them -but, on real hardpack (or ice) they're dreadful. Honest.

 

The "concept" has been out for at least 3 (or more) years. Look, just because you think they're an epiphany that's great - there's a saying in English "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and you besides looked like a hired shill for Rossi, you need to try some of the other "concepts" that have been around at least as long, with some being far better on hardpack. Again, I like the S7 (a lot), but coming up with some glowing nonsense full of press release quotes just doesn't cut it.

 

We have another saying here "search" - you'll find lots of threads on this same "concept" going back some years - nothing new. Some do it better than others.

post #39 of 126

I gotta say the s7's rip on groomers if you know how to ski them. I saw a Deer Valley instructor carving up the groomers on his S7's, he was flying. I had to practically straightline to catch him. 

 

Not surprising more people don't post reviews around here with the kind of comments that are made, unbelievable.  Like the guy is really hired to hawk skis you can barely buy because they're virtually sold out everywhere. So he's enthusiastic about his skis, what a crime. I thought the review was informative, and happen to agree on most of what was said, it's a damn fun and versatile ski. 

post #40 of 126
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That's the point  Westacat... thx....2 things... ;

 

-If you are skilled you can get out from S7 100%. If not, the skis help you to improve your skiing level at least in powder and middle hard conditions as well

- I am in love with this skis because of first point where i found that this ski covers more skiing conditions spectrum in comparison to the competitive skis.

 

And I understand that there are some people out which they force or looking only for specific conditions and where S7 has competition or at least not so much advantage. I am not comparing S7 with slalom skis or for an example in this moment so popular Rossi GS world cup master 174cm. I am comparing it with skis like big daddys or  ARG or Ponton or Wally or Elan or Mantra and many other skis which I've been able to try. For the last 8 years I am traveling also to Lastfrontier heliskiing and I am always taking at least 4 pair of skis with me. Different brands, different concepts. On 15 to 20 runs per day with an altitude difference of 4500 feet in average per run,  in one week you feel every difference You can determine what and why is different in detail. And I found out that no matter what they issue in what ever company new it is not complete in this moment except S7. If it sounds commercially that S7 is the only with all necessary functional solution in shape, ok think like that. This is my opinion based on written above. Funny is that nobody put the finger on any other product and said; This ski performs better in that kind of envoierment, because of that and taht reason and shape like this and this..Nobody did it. Sad. This could be a discussion and not my English of course.. :) But I let them step on banana and provocation will maybe work. Want to hear arguments on their opinion about other products. I doubt that I will hear something very useful or something what I don't really know but you never know and in our language we say; you are never clever enough.

 

we will see.. good hint and maybe I will change my mind... :) Until than I will for free ride use S7 and I will wait to response of Rossis competition to make better product.

 

 

post #41 of 126
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Paul Jones, yaw :)

 

What do you think with how long I've been with Rossi? :)

post #42 of 126

I like the s7 and allot of other skis also. The design concept Amp tech for instance is just Rossis way of saying elf shoe or non traditional shape of the ski that allot of companies are doing now just calling it something else other than ElfShoe.  Tanner,Aclare,Julian and the boys at Armada sued Rossi for stealing there idea If I remember correctly. The cats out of the bag how GREAT this design works and have no doubt the Rossi S7 works for your style, terrain and weight etc.. The fact of the matter is though the reason there's so many skis is because what works for one may not be the same as for another. If there was one ski that was simply the best for every one then why bother with the rest? I have no doubt the S7 is a great ski. Though i haven't actually skied them yet I have seen great skiers even Pros do amazing things that I will never be capable of doing on them. So that is testament to me that for some they are great.

 

   For me they may be better than My JJ,s? Im 104KG and though find the JJ good maybe the stiffer flex of the S7 would be more suited for me? I wish I could try every ski I want but were I live not every day is a demo day. Ive skied over 20days so far this season and haven't come across a demo day yet. I knew were there was one but didnt go to that mountain that day.

 

   Im glad you LOVE the S7 !! Really it shows. Maybe some one your weight and height that skis Off Piste mostly as yourself will feel the same way. I totally agree with the Schizos. There on the JJ,s and love the adjust-ability of them. Maybe some day that can also be Incorporated into an AT binder. Now that would be great!! A Duke with the move-ability of the schizo. A schizo Duke.icon14.gif Hear that Marker!! Get at it.biggrin.gif 

post #43 of 126

So the real question for me is, "would this ski work as an everyday ski where I ski the most"? Which is right now boilerplate ice with about 4" of packed snow on top?

 

How do the skis react on these conditions?

 

Of course, I will try some next month when I am in Colorado before I buy. But my point is why if they won't feel good here?

 

Other than the fact that I can afford to have a pair only for those pow days.

post #44 of 126
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So the real question for me is, "would this ski work as an everyday ski where I ski the most"? Which is right now boilerplate ice with about 4" of packed snow on top?

 

How do the skis react on these conditions?

 

Of course, I will try some next month when I am in Colorado before I buy. But my point is why if they won't feel good here?

 

Other than the fact that I can afford to have a pair only for those pow days.



I often choose to ski mine in those conditions.

post #45 of 126

It's obvious you know how to ski well from what you've articulated.  I don't care about anything else really.  I'm 5'11, 155 pounds wet....ski a 170 Volkl AC50 for most applications....regardless of what people say about the ski, I find them easy to ski, and good in most conditions with a base.....unless it gets deep...my Atomic Snoops are done....I'm looking hard at the S7....what length would you recommend?....the 188 or the 176...I don't want to get into a situation where I'm overpowering the ski (too short).....I ski aggressively, and can carve a ski and ski all depths of powder with conventional skis under 90cms....ex old school racer skiing Mt Baker as my home area, pass at both Heavenly and Kirkwood (heading down next Sat for a couple of weeks), and ski Jackson and the Ghee a couple of weeks each year.....Whistler/Blackcomb also gets my attention...again....thanks for your comments....


Edited by MBHC - 1/6/11 at 11:45am
post #46 of 126

188 cm - definitely

 

I'm 5'9", 165# and ski the 188. Would definitely not want anything shorter.

post #47 of 126

^^^^ What SW said. I'm 165, 6', also own the 188. Look at the profile; seems like half the freakin ski is only touching in over 6" of pow. 

 

And for the record, groomers (as the term implies) are not ice or serious hardpack. On former, S7's are pretty nice for such a wide ski. On latter, eek.gif. Several other fat skis I can think of, like the Lhasa Pows or Dynastar XXL's, do groomers and hardpack better, in the sense of stability in the carve. S7's are very maneuverable in and out of the carve, which some here may mistake for carving chops per se. No fat ski is enjoyable on ice. If you think it is, you need to change your meds...

post #48 of 126

Thanks....kind of my thinking also....wondering how the Koopmans differ from the Mancini other than the tele specific mount. Some say no difference until you get into the 195 with metal.....is there a build difference between the two?

 

As far as the carving ability...I just need to transition between pow runs.....I'll save the carving for the AC50s....


Edited by MBHC - 1/6/11 at 12:14pm
post #49 of 126

^^^^ Identical, far as I know. Confirmed by a Rossi guy over at TGR. I own the Mancinis, actually. 

post #50 of 126

Which artist did the 2010 purple/black s7 with the owl and the chainsaw?

 

edit: looks like Will Barras. Thanks google


Edited by The Squeaky Wheel - 1/6/11 at 12:14pm
post #51 of 126
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"Regarding the skiing on the hard pistes (moments when you have to come from off piste run to the lift again or when you have to approach to the helicopter on the bottom of the big mountain close to the fjord where the snow is not snow but ice ) these skis are amazing. You can and you must trust them and ski like you do it on the short slalom racing skis."

 

If you ever skied the S7 on real hardpack you know this is complete and total nonsense (much less ice). Yes, yes, you have 500 days on them but still have (apparently) no clue.

 

Anyway Borat, nice try but the Rossi shilling makes you appear far less than legit. There's another new guy here who swears by the Volkl AC30 for just about everything (rolleyes.gif), you guys out to team up and you could be the wild and crazy guys of gapic. And while I liked the S7 in deep pow, if you think it's the best ski ever for big mountain, well, you need to try a LOT more skis.

 

You should probably take this to Alpinezone and tell them this is THE Stratton ski - they wouldn't know any better.

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You mean the S7 doesn't carve on ice??

I was thinking of the S7 or the Kuros for Stratton. If I go to Magic, I think the Kuros.

Now I'm beginning to think I'm making a mistake with either. rolleyes.gif

 

To be fair, I don't know he's saying they perform like slalom skis.

To improve your interactions zokinjo, I'd recommend changing the profile pic to almost anything else. That one's hard to ignore.

zokinjo

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post #52 of 126
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One more thing, I never read any Rossi public document. This is only my observation and understanding the concept of these skis - why they perform as they do. On every underlined parameter which I have exposed would like to hear counter argument and maybe you will make me changing my opinion for a certain percent.

 



"ski is of pure composite sandwich construction full of carbon wood and aluminum in proper composite relations"

 

it happens to be your "observation" that these are the PROPER composite relations?  are you expert ski maker?  are you an expert materials scientist?  tell me what are the PROPER composite relations? 


" wide upper body of the ski and perfect distribution of the shape of complete ski"

 

again, you claim this is the PERFECT distribution of shape of a complete ski.  Man, you should be producing your own skis.  You seem to know exactly how a ski should be in every aspect.  I can't believe it..this is the perfect ski.

 

"But if they will miss only one of above underlined parameters and characteristics the skis will never be comparable with the Rossignol S7 skis. Never!"

 

OMG!!....there will NEVER be a ski as good as the S7.  Ski technology has finally reached its peak.  In 10 years, everyone will be on a pair of S7s from beginners to racers to big mountain skiers.  Rossignol is gonna take over the world!

 

Well, in any case, I guess you did your job well.  You've caused a lot of discussion around these skis.  Next time though, just let the product sell itself. It will if it's good (in the case of the S7).  If it's bad, no amount of crappy marketing will sell it.

post #53 of 126

Z.   OK, I own S7's and love in powder and especially in the trees and find the ski Great.  One question though maybe you can answer, please.

 

When I am skiing to the lifts to reach the off piste terrain and have to ski groomers I sometimes when going at a pretty good clip get a pretty good chatter going. Actually happens when I turn the ski across the fall line (usually to slow down).  Experimenting with this I can pretty much eliminate the chatter if I REALLY slow down.   Can you suggest any way to eliminate this chatter on groomers?  Really love the skis and ski them a lot if there's 4 inches or more.  I know most would say it is my technique but don't get any chatter in doing kthe same move,ment with my other skis; Goats and Afterburners.   Thanks

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Any thoughts on the s3, Z

 

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Regarding the Rossignol S7 skis I have to say that these are the best skis built ever for big mountain and powder skiing.

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segebrown - good one... biggrin.gif

 

But, if you speak one language more than English I bet 50k USD... ROTF.gif I learned English while fu...ing English native speaking girls in ski school, mostly from USA... Ask mom if she traveled to my neighborhood ever... yahoo.gif


idiot, ive thought this privately fr a great while
They're just railing on you because you like Rossis.

 

Nobody likes Rossignols here on Epic.

 

Except myself of course. I've been defending them for ten years now. Still ski a pair of Dirty Birds most of the time.

 

Would like the 7's but too much ice here in the East.

lars,

you are the quintessence of everyone's nightmare.........

how can you allow this ESL failure to make a lewd comment about someones mother? shame on you......

imho, you have reduced yourself to a level thats immeasurably deep.

i hope you ski bumps at a higher level than your moral standard.....  actually you have no moral standard....thus, your mogul skiing should exceed your moral grasp.

 

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One more thing, I never read any Rossi public document. This is only my observation and understanding the concept of these skis - why they perform as they do. On every underlined parameter which I have exposed would like to hear counter argument and maybe you will make me changing my opinion for a certain percent.

 



"ski is of pure composite sandwich construction full of carbon wood and aluminum in proper composite relations"

 

it happens to be your "observation" that these are the PROPER composite relations?  are you expert ski maker?  are you an expert materials scientist?  tell me what are the PROPER composite relations? 


" wide upper body of the ski and perfect distribution of the shape of complete ski"

 

again, you claim this is the PERFECT distribution of shape of a complete ski.  Man, you should be producing your own skis.  You seem to know exactly how a ski should be in every aspect.  I can't believe it..this is the perfect ski.

 

"But if they will miss only one of above underlined parameters and characteristics the skis will never be comparable with the Rossignol S7 skis. Never!"

 

OMG!!....there will NEVER be a ski as good as the S7.  Ski technology has finally reached its peak.  In 10 years, everyone will be on a pair of S7s from beginners to racers to big mountain skiers.  Rossignol is gonna take over the world!

 

Well, in any case, I guess you did your job well.  You've caused a lot of discussion around these skis.  Next time though, just let the product sell itself. It will if it's good (in the case of the S7).  If it's bad, no amount of crappy marketing will sell it.

Majorato,

 

my answers on your comments;

 

it is my personal observation, yes. I am an expert for composites. I worked with composites for 20 years and had my own production of different products made by very different composites but always in combination with carbon, kevlar, epoxy, polyester and other sandwich combo construction plates. I had production fro companies like Mistral, Elan, NASA bikes and other companies.

Mostly we worked on development and testing of products for prototype use. I produced skis as well. I participated on development of first carving ski and today you see where carving ski is.  I learned how to determine between bad, good and very good composite product. When I said "perfect" I meant prefect in comparison to the other products in this range. For an example; K2 is using for their Ponton ski mono-block (monocoque) and not standard sandwich construction. The ski that why doesn't generate proper carve line under the load. Only tips and tails twist and form a line which drives skier in to the curve. The problem is that in this case skier has to make many corrections during the slide in one turn and this is not good. This is only one simple example. Next problem is that suitable torsion stability you can achieve on ski only with proper sandwich construction or like by racing (but real racing department skis which you can't buy in shops) skis of Salomon and Atomic with proper box - sandwich construction. Torsion stability is important on hard pack terrain when the edge of the ski has to keep contact with snow. This is not so usual to find on the market in the offer of fat skis range. Rossi thought about it with S7. So, trust me when I tell you that in this moment Rossi has perfect relation of materials included in their composites on S7. Before I bought them I tested them and did deep analyze on materials and construction and shape.

 

Maybe in the future will many other products have even better combination but in this moment S7 is far more advanced as competition. Not to forget K2 and Armada are using similar technology on certain products (not on ponton which is the direct competition to S7) but their shape is old fashion now. At least for my opinion and experience. I tested complete range of K2 who was official supplier on www.lastfrontierheli.com and S7 is in all parameters better ski.

 

Regarding my job. I have today completely different business. The composites and skiing and windsurfing, watter skiing, MTB and Cross country skiing remain my love and I am an enthusiast who feels that is still a part of this beautiful tech world. That why I wrote this reviews is only a wish to help people to chose the best for their skills, style and way of skiing. There are not many which can test 10 pairs of skis before to buy them. I tested 50 pairs and so I put my observations and opinion public. Interest of these people is reward for me and some stupid comments will not stop me to share my opinion and advices.

 

 


 

post #58 of 126

Zokinjo, you are definitely my favorite poster of 2011 ! I hope you stick around for awhile.

 

although I suspect your English is perfect and you reside somwhere in Wyoming or Montana, and not Euroland

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Any thoughts on the s3, Z

 

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Regarding the Rossignol S7 skis I have to say that these are the best skis built ever for big mountain and powder skiing.


Hi,

 

I didn't test S3. Once I will have this opportunity i will let you know. Wish you a lot of nice skiing days!!! In our country we have right now south winds and temperatures killing snow.

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Zokinjo, you are definitely my favorite poster of 2011 ! I hope you stick around for awhile.

 

although I suspect your English is perfect and you reside somwhere in Wyoming or Montana, and not Euroland



putting a lot of effort to improve it.. :)  thx.. ;)

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