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Kastle MX 78 vs Volkl ac 30

post #1 of 21
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I am looking for an all mountain ski to complement my Rossi S7 and Atomic Snoop daddys (117 and 95 under the foot respectively).  i am 42 yo advanced skier, sking mostly in the west coast, 5"11 inch and 190 pounds.  I am probably an advanced skier still working on improving technique.

 

I have demo both (kastle in a 176 and Volk in 170, although i am think of the 177) and like them both.  any ideas?

 

Thanks 

post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by southbeachski View Post

I am looking for an all mountain ski to complement my Rossi S7 and Atomic Snoop daddys (117 and 95 under the foot respectively).  i am 42 yo advanced skier, sking mostly in the west coast, 5"11 inch and 190 pounds.  I am probably an advanced skier still working on improving technique.

 

I have demo both (kastle in a 176 and Volk in 170, although i am think of the 177) and like them both.  any ideas?

 

Thanks 


Get the one you like more? 

post #3 of 21
I have the AC30s in 177cm and absolutely love them after the first 5 days on them this week in variable conditions from East Coast boilerplate to post-rain slush ( temperatures went from well below to well above freezing as the week progressed).

If after your demos they both seem equally good for you, then perhaps you should choose based on price or graphics!
post #4 of 21

Let's really confuse the situation. I would say, split the difference and get Blizzard 8.1's. It is a more friendly Volkl w/o loosing what you liked about the AC30 but a much bigger sweetspot. 

post #5 of 21

Demo the Kendos if you like the AC30s.

post #6 of 21

I skiied the Volkl AC3s (pretty similar to the AC30's, I believe) for 2 seasons all over (deep powder, groomers, moguls, etc.) and they're a great ski. Then I got the Kastle MX78s as soon as they came out and have never gotten back on the AC3s. For me, the Kastles were just so much more versatile and confident on everything I throw at them.

post #7 of 21

My everyday ski is a Stockli Sormrider XXL, before that the Stormrider XL and before that the Volkl AC3.  Once a year I take the AC3 out (tuned and waxed); I'm then reminded how one dimentional it is and forget about it for another year.  The Blizz 8.1 is nice, haven't skied the MX 78, but would think it is similar to my old Stormrider XL.  In the end it's a matter of personal preference so YMMV.

post #8 of 21

The AC Unlimited series is a cap ski design. It will have a different feel than any sidewall / sandwich construction ski, by a long shot. I believe, correct me if wrong, that cap ski construction is primarily an innovation for manufacturing efficiency and time savings.

 

I'd agree with Phil that anything (my expansion of the idea) has a bigger sweet spot than Volkls;  Dynastars, Salomons, Blizzards all let you get a little back without major punishment, not so Volkl.

post #9 of 21


He doesn't need an 88mm ski if he already has a 95mm one.

 

I've been more than happy with every Kastle I've been on (RX, FX84, FX94, MX88) and haven't liked a Volkl yet (Six Star, Tigershark 10).

 

Mike

 

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Demo the Kendos if you like the AC30s.



 

post #10 of 21
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

The AC Unlimited series is a cap ski design. It will have a different feel than any sidewall / sandwich construction ski, by a long shot. I believe, correct me if wrong, that cap ski construction is primarily an innovation for manufacturing efficiency and time savings.

 

I'd agree with Phil that anything (my expansion of the idea) has a bigger sweet spot than Volkls;  Dynastars, Salomons, Blizzards all let you get a little back without major punishment, not so Volkl.


I'd partly agree about caps but keep in mind that that Kastle LX's are caps, many well regarded Rossi's were/are caps, most Dynastars are part caps, and a long line of distinguished Sollie racing skis were caps. So you can make cap skis that perform, and that have great feel. But yep, it can be a touch different feel.

 

As I understand it, caps allow lighter construction - I vaguely recall that upstart Salomon pioneered them, matched them to foam cores, for radically light skis - probably cheaper to make on a vast scale, but then most indies without the machinery stick to sandwiches, so may be more expensive on a smaller scale. (And I've skied some truly horrific sandwiches, so no automatic help on that end.) But caps are toast if you push an edge, so definitely not as good an investment if you are hard on skis. 

 

Also partly agree about Volkls, except that there are some fairly CM-unforgiving Dynastars (LP's, anyone?), and Blizzards (Answer, Atlas, Force series), while I found the AC4/40 and Mantras to be stiff, even numb, but weirdly indifferent to precise CM on groomers at least. And Goats are legendary for their forgiveness. Which may be why some Volkls have always been so popular among intermediates who can backseat and blast happily. The 6*/Tigershark/AC30/50/Grizzly, of course, are different stories. Bad stories, as I tell my kids. eek.gif

 

post #11 of 21

You need something 72-82mm-waisted to complement your quiver

 

Lots of good skis in that range here....Bliz 8.1 magnum, older Head iM 78, Kastle MX78 (trop d'argent), Dynastar Contact Cross Ti and Sultan 80, Fischer Motive 80, etc...

The Blizzard and Kastle are advanced-expert skis, while the others are suited to a bit less experienced skier.

I would avoid the Volkl AC series, too demanding.

 

Use the SEARCH function for reviews

 

 

post #12 of 21

I went from Head iSuperShape in 2007 to Volk AC3 to more recently Volk AC30 and was not aware that the Volkl AC line was considered demanding or unforgiving.  Certainly they are stiff skis but they serve me well for the past 4 years.

 

That said, perhaps for my next ski I will look for something that has a bigger sweet spot as many of you have observed.  Perhaps I do not know what I am missing?

post #13 of 21

I'm a long term Volkl guy.

Generally, Volkls ski like race skis except the twin tips.

They tend to be stiff for their size and very torsionally rigid.

If you like the feel of a strong tip pulling you into the turn then you will like Volkls.

Most of them are much more at home on hard snow than soft.

 

With your other skis it seems to me you need something for ripping groomers.

Volkls and the very similar Blizzards are the ticket.

I don't like the AC 30-40-50 series, just too damn stiff for most.

The older AC 3 and 4 series were softer and I use my red AC4's (82mm) all over the place.

They will remind you to keep good boot tongue pressure.

 

Of course, I'm sick.

Not big on clown shoes without a lot of fresh snow.

I think my Fischer WC SC slaloms at 165 are just fine for general skiing.

post #14 of 21

I skied the AC30 in its previous iteration; I guess it has changed some, but I don't know how much.  I didn't like it at all: it just had no personality.  For my money, Peter Keelty was right on in his assessment: competent, but boring. 

OTOH, I skied the Blizzard Magnum 8.1 last week in Utah.  If I didn't already own a carving ski, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.  More forgiving and yet powerful than the Volkl TIgershark, which I liked OK.

 

FWIW:

5'8", 175 lbs, level 8 skier.

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Get the one you like more? 



Since the OP has demoed both skis, this ^^^ is good advice.

 

... unless we want to get into a debate over "trop d'argent".

post #16 of 21

Well to answer your question, which one?, directly: The Kastle.

Really it's a no brainer.

If you include factors like price, which you haven't mentioned, the choice is obviously more complicated.

If you start talking about other skis available, then it's more complicated also. We have pages and pages devoted to the topic.

 

Unless the Ac30 has changed tremendously, I didn't find it demanding at all. In fact, I would say I found it a ski I could recommend to just about anybody. Intermediate to advanced, they all can get something out of it.

It really was an all around good ski. You could not go wrong, particuarly in the west with that ski. I do agree it had little personality, though that's it's personality.

It is cap construction. It has a different feel to it. Knock them together on the chairlift and they sound like two garbage cans banging together.

Is that bad? No. I actually was surprised by some of the snow feedback from that ski. It's a very decent ski.

 

The Kastle will have a different feel since it's a laminate ski, and amongst the top in construction. There are subtletys in that ski you just won't get in the Ac30. It has a great tail if you want to push it, and if not it doesn't punish you. There's a feel and feedback from the ski that is smooth, subtle, and addictive. There's a reason a lot of people will only ski laminate skis, and a reason people have written pages about the Kastle.

 

The upshot is you won't be sorry you bought the Ac30, or you'll be glad you bought the Kastle every time you ski it.

As long as you're ok with the price and can forget about it after you buy it.

If it's a toss up, to most of us I think, the answer's pretty obvious. The white one!

 

post #17 of 21

This is getting to be a weird thread. If someone honestly thinks that a Kastle MX78 and an AC30 are equivalent in any possible way, beyond lurching down the mountain, they should get the AC30 because the Kastle is a waste of their money. Seriously. Think about it. 

post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well to answer your question, which one?, directly: The Kastle.

Really it's a no brainer.

If you include factors like price, which you haven't mentioned, the choice is obviously more complicated.

If you start talking about other skis available, then it's more complicated also. We have pages and pages devoted to the topic.

 

Unless the Ac30 has changed tremendously, I didn't find it demanding at all. In fact, I would say I found it a ski I could recommend to just about anybody. Intermediate to advanced, they all can get something out of it.

It really was an all around good ski. You could not go wrong, particuarly in the west with that ski. I do agree it had little personality, though that's it's personality.

It is cap construction. It has a different feel to it. Knock them together on the chairlift and they sound like two garbage cans banging together.

Is that bad? No. I actually was surprised by some of the snow feedback from that ski. It's a very decent ski.

 

The Kastle will have a different feel since it's a laminate ski, and amongst the top in construction. There are subtletys in that ski you just won't get in the Ac30. It has a great tail if you want to push it, and if not it doesn't punish you. There's a feel and feedback from the ski that is smooth, subtle, and addictive. There's a reason a lot of people will only ski laminate skis, and a reason people have written pages about the Kastle.

 

The upshot is you won't be sorry you bought the Ac30, or you'll be glad you bought the Kastle every time you ski it.

As long as you're ok with the price and can forget about it after you buy it.

If it's a toss up, to most of us I think, the answer's pretty obvious. The white one!

 


Tog, when did you become a Kastle disciple, I must have not been on line that day? spit.gif

 

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Tog, when did you become a Kastle disciple, I must have not been on line that day? spit.gif

 

I wouldn't say I'm a disciple, (if they got rid of the tip flutter I might be, but that's a controversey and not that important).

 I did try them when they came out, at Stowe this year, Aspen Highlands last year, and your 88's at Snowmass for a couple hours this year.

 

Really though, if I can't tell the difference between an Ac 30 and a Kastle, please serve my Last Supper.

Now, dare I go down the road of "you should check out a Hart ski."?

Probably not, for my own sanity and by the time he even found one he'd be ready for his last supper too.

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This is getting to be a weird thread. If someone honestly thinks that a Kastle MX78 and an AC30 are equivalent in any possible way, beyond lurching down the mountain, they should get the AC30 because the Kastle is a waste of their money. Seriously. Think about it. 

Getting to be? It is the title of the thread. Hey, it may only be obvious to us. Maybe the Kastle's are used and cheap...It does warrant a cool.gif

I do love your "lurching down the mountain".

I assert that if one is still in the lurching stage, they should get the Ac 30 and not the Kastle...

But wait, isn't "lurching" what snowboarders who aren't any good do?

 

 


Edited by Tog - 3/24/11 at 12:26pm
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But wait, isn't "lurching" what snowboarders who aren't any good do?

 

You rang?

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