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Beaver Creek & Vail: Must do runs?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Happy New Years to all! I am heading to Beaver Creek / Vail in 2 weeks. smile.gif I have never skied the Beav, and I haven't been to Vail since 1977, back when I was 17 and could barely ski. I am very much looking forward to going back now that I have acquired a few skills.

I consider myself to to be a strong, aggressive level 8/9 skier who loves exploring all over the mountain. I don't get intimidated easily but at my age I prefer to keep my skis on the snow, though I can still handle a short drop (less than 10') in the right conditions. Bumps, trees, and chutes are always on my dance card.

We are staying in the Arrowhead area of The Beav and will be skiing 6 days, maybe 2-3 at Vail. For those who are familiar I would appreciate a few suggestions on what one run is not to be missed at each resort in the following categories:

Bumps?

Trees?

Steeps?

Bowls?

Cruiser?

Chutes?

Scenery?

Its just too cool?

Thanks guys (and gals) I promise to return the favor at a resort I am familiar with.

Rick G
post #2 of 16

My wife and I will be at Vail in 3 weeks and sound exactly like the same type of skiers as rickg with the same interests.  Would appreciate similar info and maybe a game plan for attacking the mountain, especially on weekends.  Thanks.

post #3 of 16

I will also be in the Vail area in two and a half weeks for the first time, with a 7 day Vail/Epic pass. I guess I'm a 7/8 ability and at 62 I've slowed down a bit but will ski all mountain except extreme. 

post #4 of 16

Okay, I'll bite here.

 

Bumps?

 

You'll find the best of these at Beaver Creek.  Almost all of the trails off the Grouse Mountain lift have epic bumps.  Bald Eagle trail is a leg burner from top to bottom.


Trees?

 

Vail likely has the edge here, though the Beav is also good for getting splinters in your teeth.


Steeps?

 

Beaver Creek by a mile.  If you want a steep (and often icy) treat, try the Golden Eagle run from the summit of Beaver Creek.  It's the run where they hold the annual "Birds of Prey" World Cup DH and SG (and will hold the 2015 World Championships), is usually groomed, and is a challenge.  Envision skiing off "The Brink" going 60mph into a fall-away, right hand turn on injected, icy snow - it's crazy!  And the jumps are also quite a blast to picture, especially "Golden Eagle."


Bowls?

 

Vail has this one locked down - all you need to say is the Back Bowls and Blue Sky Basin, which encompass so much lovely terrain and spread out the crowds.

 

Cruiser?

 

Vail's front side has 'em.  Lindsey's is a classic: a rolling, former World Cup DH and SG trail that is interesting from top to bottom.

 

Beaver Creek also has some fun cruisers, including Centennial (the 1989 World Championship DH and SG run).

 

Chutes?

 

Stone Creek Chutes and Beaver Creek are probably the best of the lot between the two.  If you want plentiful chutes, look elsewhere.


Scenery?

 

Vail has the better scenery, to my eyes, but both are scenic on a bluebird day.


Its just too cool?

 

Vail has the more tangible gravitas, but BC is the more high-roller resort of the two.  The Beav allows you to ride a lift above the house of a former president (Gerald Ford lived underneath the Strawberry Park lift).

 

Hope this helps!


Edited by songfta - 1/3/11 at 12:30pm
post #5 of 16
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Scenery?

 

Vail has the better scenery, to my eyes, but both are scenic on a bluebird day.

 



Are you talking about the mountains, or the women?  

post #6 of 16

I've skied Vail well over 100 times over the years.

 

Bumps -   The Highline Express to Blue Ox and Highline are great bump runs.

Prima

Game Creek Bowl has some nice bumps.


Steeps -  Yonder, Genghis Khan are fun, not killer steep.

Bowls - all of them.

Cruiser - Poppyseeds if groomed are fun,  Riva Ridge if groomed is long and amazing.  Logdepole, Berries, Avanti, the blueish Gondola runs.

Blue Sky basin is very much worth exploring.   Iron Mask, Little Ollie, Heavy Metal are fantastic.  In the Wuides can be really fun.

post #7 of 16

At the Beav, it's simple.  Ski the runs of the Talons Challenge.  13 runs, 23k vert.  Do it in one day -- it's a good mixture of everything the Beav has to offer (except for tree skiing and extreme terrain).

 

Mike

post #8 of 16

You can’t go wrong with either Vail or the Beav as the majority of “must do’s” outlined above by the guys.  Vail certainly is a 5000 acre amusement park with the Beav being a 1500 acre roller coaster.

 

Regarding the Beav:

OP; Arrowhead is a beautiful area to be staying in.  Suggestion; jump on Chair 17 and perhaps take your first run down Cabin Fever…maybe even skiing right up to the Ritz clicking out run inside for coffee and see how I live rolleyes.gif   After a look about and some sips of mud click back in hop on 16 and then head up and start following the Sun about the mountain staying topside on any of Rose Bowl, Cinch, Birds of Prey, Grouse Mountain and Larkspur lifts.  You’ll access the varied terrain mentioned in above posts. 

 

In addition, spend particular attention to Royal Elk Glade and Black Bear Glade as must runs.  Depending on snow conditions some of the finest “pick your line” or “follow the rut” tree skiing.  Fantastic area to explore.  You can check in with Ski Patrol at the top Grouse (10) and get their take on conditions near the gate access on your right.  Also check out Keller Glade (above and left of chair 8) as well as Stick Line (below Spruce Saddle Lodge access from West Fall Road).

 

Finally, depending on the tune of your edges and conditions of the hill; you must take the WC Birds of Prey downhill run top to bottom.  Jump off of Cinch (8) and work your way across to the Start gate location.  Man that’s a blast from start gate to Red Tail Camp skiing at your limit imagining what the pro’s can do.  Caution as the start can be ice infused and glare solid with a wicked first pitch.  

   

Enjoy your visit.  Until then here are Betsy and Mr. Vertical giving a view of Rose Bowl:  

 

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post #9 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

At the Beav, it's simple.  Ski the runs of the Talons Challenge.  13 runs, 23k vert.  Do it in one day -- it's a good mixture of everything the Beav has to offer (except for tree skiing and extreme terrain).

 

Mike


What is this Talons Challenge? Sounds right up my alley.

Rick G
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the tips all! Keep em coming.

Rick G
post #11 of 16

beaver has the better trees IMO.. Vail is the better mountain (was my go to for the past 6 years).. For beaver head up the larkspur lift and ski down the trees to the skiers left..

 

Vail is just great. Highline is the best most badass bump run in the world..

 

I like to head over to bluesky basin and petes express to get lost in the expanse

post #12 of 16

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Originally Posted by rickg View Post
 What is this Talons Challenge? Sounds right up my alley. Rick G

 

Talons Challenge



 

post #13 of 16

I have only been to Vail so I won't be providing any runs from Beaver Creek.

 

Bumps?

Prima and Pronto are probably my favorite.  You can do them both in the same run but be ready for some serious burn after that.


Trees?

Blue Sky is where I usually tend to duck into the trees with it's varied pitch, deep powder, and not a lot of people.  On the front side though there's Cheetah Gully And Riva Glades.

Steeps?

Lover's Leap is good but the cornice at the top tends to intimidate most.  Steep but pretty short.  Blue Ox is also a long, steep run that gets groomed once a week.

Bowls?

The much unknown Inner and Outer Mongolian Bowls.  Quite a hike to get out there, but there's always some powder to be had.

Cruiser?

Under the Eagle Bahn Gondola is usually a great run to rap up the day with.  Also, if you get out to China Bowl early, you'll get the cordiroy all to yourself.

 

post #14 of 16

Vail:

 

Riva- one long, steep at times cruising groomer.  Great to end your day going mach 3. 

 

Prima cornice- somewhat technical, and may require a short leap, but well worth it cause there are pow stashes in the trees below.

 

Champagne glades (blue sky)- takes a good traverse, but well worth the trip.  Don't dip in too early otherwise you'll have cliffs within trees!

 

High line- most underrated part of Vail....front side away from a lot of traffic, but terrain excellent.

 

China bowl/Dragon's teeth- great place to huck your stuff.  Wide open powder turns. 

 

Mongolia- not steep, but powder is almost always available.

 

 

The Beave:

 

Royal Elk glades- great variable steep terrain in trees.

 

Stone Creek chutes- steeps at there finest anywhere at BC.

 

Anywhere on Grouse mtn- bumps and steeps galore.

 

Bachelor Gulch- great trees pretty much everywhere (skiers left off of main lift)

 

Larkspur- aspen groves on skiers left.

 

Golden Eagle- like the above poster, steeps with crazy rollers, bumps, and doglegs.

 

Have fun!

post #15 of 16
Vail is flat. Nice bumps, cougs and groomers though. Hit stuff off of 11 and 10. +1 on inner and outer Mongolia. Tea Cup bowl or whatever they call it is also nice.
post #16 of 16

Okay, now I am feeling all douchy for my flat comment. If you are into bumps there used to be a "triple crown" series of runs that if you hit them all in one descent you will get your legs a burning. So I would hazard it as a "must do".  Take 11 to the top.  Then take Prima -> Prima Pronto -> Log Chute.  That should land you at the bottom of 10 which you can take back up and hit Highline and Blue Ox if your legs are up for it.

 

One more oldie but a goodie. There is a run off of 3 called Look Ma. Used to have manicured bumps on it and they would hold the Bump Off in the spring. It hangs right over Mid Vail. Kinda have to hit that one too.

 

Lastly, and I really mean it this time.  With Inner and Outer Mongolia it is pretty flat over there. So if you get into a big dump it is pretty hard to move. But, on a day with like 6 - 10ish you can lay some really fun high speed wide pow turns over there. It gets (or used to get) zero pressure so I would consider it to be a bit of a "stash". 

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