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Poll Results: Walking in Boots (with soles protected) .. Least Wear and Tear Buckled ....or ... Unbuckled?

 
  • 13% (4)
    Boots wear out faster walking a lot with them unbuckled.
  • 16% (5)
    Boots wear out faster walking a lot with them buckled.
  • 70% (21)
    Flawed, every poll is flawed!
30 Total Votes  
post #31 of 57

My thought on this if you can flex out a boot. i mean wear it out by fatiguing the plastic then the less times you bend it the longer they will serve you. This puts me in the loose buckle camp.

I spend a lot of time in boots so I often do low level lessons unbuckled because walking, standing , bending  is involved. 

From the parking lot I only wear boots if I'm late, parked close and the lot is covered in snow. Otherwise the only sane method is with a sole cover. I test drove a pair of Yakitraks and they were actually fun to walk with . They went on easier than Trax and felt like risers when you walked in them . Nice foot hold, easy to get on  and on hard surfaces kind of bouncy. 

 

 

 

Soooo. Unbuckled, let the foot move and protect the soles .

post #32 of 57
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post




OK no morehijack2.gif answers except from people that routinely boot up in the lot pleezzzz



 

Buckled.

post #33 of 57
Thread Starter 

It is an interesting quandary.  Buckle them tight puts more stress on the shells.  All that flexing adds up, and there is a limit to how many times plastic will flex before becoming compromised.  Leaving them loose allows your feet to float around and swim some in the liners.  The liners also float around in the shells.  That causes more abrasion between the liners and the shells.  No doubt that wears out the liners faster. 

 

Regardless, YakTracks or Cat Tracks always stay on the bottoms of my boots until I reach the snow outside the lodge.  I leave them attached to my cable lock on a railing at the base lodge.

 

So, I tend to buckle them in the morning on the way to the lodge... then unbuckle them on the way back to the car when I'm beat simply because it is easier to walk in them that way when I'm tired

post #34 of 57
33 posts on this one? Oh well, the local Psia newsletter had a full page on how to tuck your yak/cat tracks in the cuff of your ski pants. After many yeats of walking here and there, I can honestly say that other than protecting boot soles, it never occurred to me to even think about it. And there's still a 'quandary' ?
post #35 of 57

I never walk in my boots form the lot to the lodge or bac.

 

I have a pack that my boots and helmet strap on the outside and then all kinds of places to clip and hang things, like a net glove bag and goggle case. Then everything else goes inside, with some tools, Pozi-Driver, stones, etc. in a separate zippered and partially mesh bottom compartment.

 

I can barely get my boots on in the lodge (I bring a hairdryer). They would never go on in the parking lot, without blowing out my O-rings!biggrin.gif


Edited by Atomicman - 2/18/14 at 6:24pm
post #36 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

I never walk in my boots form the lot to the lodge or bac.

 

 

 


That's the best option if you have a locker, ski school staff or patrol room, or can be certain you will always get one there.  I NEVER leave a bag of gear in the lodge under some table in everyone else's way.

 

I'd rather walk in boots than fight for lockers or be that inconsiderate rogue that says f'-it and stores their gear under the public tables where others need to put their feet while eating.  When I worked at a resort and had places to leave stuff I left my gear there most of the time.

 

 

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

OK no morehijack2.gif answers except from people that routinely boot up in the lot pleezzzz

 

 

post #37 of 57
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

OK cool - now the masses get to comment.

 

I have deliberated this one long and hard.  Lost many a night of sleep over this.  I have experimented at length with all 3 variations - fully unbuckled, semi-buckled, and totally buckled.  I took pictures of the boot shells and liners and compared them over time after weeks of study.  What I found is that it's best for my left foot to be semi-buckled and my right foot to be totally buckled.  Obviously there's some kind of alignment issue with my buckles so I plan on getting my buckles aligned real soon.  Hopefully it won't affect my skiing too badly.

 

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Utterly invalid research.   You TOTALLY forgot to consider boot flex and buckle mounting point.

 

Oh, and pictures, we need pictures.

post #38 of 57

I forgot to mention, we are very lucky at Crystal. As a consignment (run independently of the ski area) we have an enterprise called Store-a-Ski. I've gotten to know the proprietor well over the years.  I consider him a good friend!  He started while my boys were still racing, so that is at least 8-10 years now.
 

I buy a season's pass for his ski and bag storage. I can bring (to some limit) any number of  skis I want including the boys (who have not skied that much the last couple of years due to school and work) and we each bring a bag and which is also stored in his secured area which is manned by an attendant all day. Also can leave overnight occasionally if need be! He also has a yurt at mid mountain that we can drop our skis off at whiwch is also secured,  in case we want to snack or lunch up there. Complimentary wax (one of those medium size wax machines) is also included in the pass). Better then nothing if you didn't get a chance to put a fresh coat on at home.

 

Really a great service, that I miss when we ski elsewhere. I am so used to having my stuff secure, I don't give it a 2nd thought until I go somewhere that I don't have a pass for.

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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

 

 


That's the best option if you have a locker, ski school staff or patrol room, or can be certain you will always get one there.  I NEVER leave a bag of gear in the lodge under some table in everyone else's way.

 

I'd rather walk in boots than fight for lockers or be that inconsiderate rogue that says f'-it and stores their gear under the public tables where others need to put their feet while eating.  When I worked at a resort and had places to leave stuff I left my gear there most of the time.

 

 

 

 


Edited by Atomicman - 2/18/14 at 6:25pm
post #39 of 57

Generally I'm booted up, and in line within 10 minutes of pulling in the lot. The walk isn't far, and it's often snow covered. I have to put effort in to just getting the buckle on the first cuff rung(2 buckle solly ghosts) then I just walk with them like that and the booster strap done up. On a pow day I will tighten everything up about mins before the lift opens. Normal day I will just wait until I get to the top. My GF is a boarder so I have to wait for her anyways.

post #40 of 57

Unbuckled - or at least with the clips undone but the bales still in place. But usually I ski across the parking lot and just walk the little hill home. All with the clips undone.

 

Normal days I walk in my flip flops pulling my equipment in the red wagon and boot up at the lift. I only stay in boots on powder days.

 

Eric

post #41 of 57

Beyond was heading in the right direction, but was ignored by the uninformed masses:  an alpine ski boot (heck, even free heel boots with bellows) was NEVER intended to be walked in fully buckled - there SKI boots, fer criminey's sake, not hiking/walking boots.  It's bad for your feet but even worse for your knees - you will pay a heavy price if you insist on doing it, maybe not right away, but you will pay. 

post #42 of 57
Thread Starter 


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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post

Beyond was heading in the right direction, but was ignored by the uninformed masses:  an alpine ski boot (heck, even free heel boots with bellows) was NEVER intended to be walked in fully buckled - there SKI boots, fer criminey's sake, not hiking/walking boots.  It's bad for your feet but even worse for your knees - you will pay a heavy price if you insist on doing it, maybe not right away, but you will pay. 


 

And so will your boots.  The question is...  "is that price greater buckled (harder on the shells) or unbuckled (harder on the liners)?

 

Sure, anyone that skis over 40 days a year should probably have arrangements to store gear at the base or a ski house there.  Others have insights on kick ass parking sports where the walk won't be so brutal.  Heck, I try to go weekdays when possible and usually park within a hundred yards of the slopes when I can.

 

But, even for fifty feet not clicked in to bindings, what's harder on the boots?Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

post #43 of 57

I boot up in the kitchen with the boots loosely buckled and Walk-EZs on the soles. 3 blocks to bus, a few hundred yards to the gondola, another couple hundred yards to the lift. Buckle tigher at the top. Going home I leave them buckled. My boots are so comfy I sometimes don't loosen them up for the walk home!

 

I don't think the stresses of walking in the boots compares to the amount of energy put into the boots while skiing. The walking doesn't contribute to wear on the boots in a measurable way apart from the soles; so use sole protectors.

post #44 of 57
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post


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And so will your boots.  The question is...  "is that price greater buckled (harder on the shells) or unbuckled (harder on the liners)?

 

Sure, anyone that skis over 40 days a year should probably have arrangements to store gear at the base or a ski house there.  Others have insights on kick ass parking sports where the walk won't be so brutal.  Heck, I try to go weekdays when possible and usually park within a hundred yards of the slopes when I can.

 

But, even for fifty feet not clicked in to bindings, what's harder on the boots?Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif


Oh yeah?!?  Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

 

The point being: whatever wear and tear on the boot soles when walking while buckled, it pales in comparison to the wear and tear on your knees.  As for liner wear and tear when unbuckled, it pales in comparison to the wear and tear  of simply skiing.  Does this place have  Ministry of Silly Questions?  Do the ATers know about this burning issue???

 

post #45 of 57
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post


Oh yeah?!?  Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

 

The point being: whatever wear and tear on the boot soles when walking while buckled, it pales in comparison to the wear and tear on your knees.  As for liner wear and tear when unbuckled, it pales in comparison to the wear and tear  of simply skiing.


Skiing is also harder on your kneesroflmao.gifGot bumps?  Haven't seen many folks blow an ACL walking through the lot in boots.


 



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Oh yeah?!?  Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

 

Does this place have  Ministry of Silly Questions?

Yes, it's called "Apres Ski".  I requested that this thread be moved here so people trolling other stupid threads would be sure to find it.tongue.gif

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by Paul Lutes View Post


Oh yeah?!?  Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gifBeating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif

Do the ATers know about this burning issue???

 

I believe this is why telemark and some A/T boots have flex grooves in the shells them right?th_dunno-1[1].gif  Coaches and patrols often end up choosing A/T boots because they spend so much time walking around and standing around on the mountain. 

 

 

post #46 of 57

Better to munch your knees bumping than walking across the parking lot though, right?  wink.gif

 

99% of AT boots do not have bellows over the ball of the foot like a Tele boot; what they do have is sole rocker that permits a better rolling foot strike. Even with the rocker all the ATers I know unbuckle their boots when walking/scrambling over talus/up granite slabs/etc.  - so do free heelers, with both rocker and bellows in their boots.  In my youth one of the many silly, stupid, lazy things I did was walk around in buckled ski boots (the distinctive gait impressed the chicks, no doubt). I even had a pair of mountaineering boots with metal-shanked soles that walked just like ski boots - great for toe holds. I wore these mountaineering boots all the time - within 6 weeks I could barely walk my knees hurt so bad.  Ever since (40 years later), walking in buckled ski boots (all Tele) instantly results in knee pain.

post #47 of 57
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post


 

I believe this is why telemark and some A/T boots have flex grooves in the shells them right?th_dunno-1%5B1%5D.gif

 



The bellows are for pressuring the back foot during the turn, not for walking.    

 

 

Most folks used to regular footwear (excepting sailing shoes, Vibram 5Fs, approach shoes with thin <3mm soles, 'minimalist' running shoes) would probably not walk in a way to use the bellows in their regular stride.

 

 

post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post



The bellows are for pressuring the back foot during the turn, not for walking.    

 

 

Most folks used to regular footwear (excepting sailing shoes, Vibram 5Fs, approach shoes with thin <3mm soles, 'minimalist' running shoes) would probably not walk in a way to use the bellows in their regular stride.

 

 


 You can't telemark if you can't bend the sole of the boot. Same goes for walking. They aren't mutually exclusive, and having walked/hiked/climbed a bunch in them,and yes approach shoes are best when long hikes below the snow line are required, but boot walk fine in the snow when you can't sking. Kick stepping in a duck bill stinks, but soles are replaceable when necessary... Boots are durable even when you put a crampon point through the shell. Don't ask how I know this, but even that was an easy repair.

 

post #49 of 57
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


 You can't telemark if you can't bend the sole of the boot. Same goes for walking. They aren't mutually exclusive, and having walked/hiked/climbed a bunch in them,and yes approach shoes are best when long hikes below the snow line are required, but boot walk fine in the snow when you can't sking. Kick stepping in a duck bill stinks, but soles are replaceable when necessary... Boots are durable even when you put a crampon point through the shell. Don't ask how I know this, but even that was an easy repair.

 


 

Not sure what you're responding to?  

 

It is most definitely possible to walk without bending the sole of footgear and my earlier post asserted that most people /don't/ bend the sole of their footgear in walking. 

 

post #50 of 57

Seems to me it would depend on the footgear.  There are definitely some hiking boots (and of course clogs) in this house that don't bend as you walk, but I can assure you that most of my stuff isn't remotely that stiff.  I guess I like going barefoot and most of my shoes reflect that.  

post #51 of 57
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


 You can't telemark if you can't bend the sole of the boot. Same goes for walking. They aren't mutually exclusive, and having walked/hiked/climbed a bunch in them,and yes approach shoes are best when long hikes below the snow line are required, but boot walk fine in the snow when you can't sking. Kick stepping in a duck bill stinks, but soles are replaceable when necessary... Boots are durable even when you put a crampon point through the shell. Don't ask how I know this, but even that was an easy repair.

 


 

Not sure what you're responding to?  

 

It is most definitely possible to walk without bending the sole of footgear and my earlier post asserted that most people /don't/ bend the sole of their footgear in walking. 

 


That the telex boot bellows wasn't made for walking... Maybe I misread your post. I'll have to check.
post #52 of 57
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

Seems to me it would depend on the footgear.  There are definitely some hiking boots (and of course clogs) in this house that don't bend as you walk, but I can assure you that most of my stuff isn't remotely that stiff.

 

You are absolutely right, it does depend on the footgear, but not just the stiffness of the sole.        

 

  People who daily cram their D/EE/EEE feet into C-width dress shoes just to make an impression at the office, for example, will prefer non-forefoot-bendy type walking because bendy *hurts*.

post #53 of 57

I realize I'm a few years late to this thread, but I thought I'd add my experience to the mix. I just tore my MCL from, yes, walking in my ski boots. For the record, they were fully buckled. I hyperextended my knee (because they are canted pretty far forward) and then came crashing down on my knees and they twisted. NEVER thought that could happen, until it did. So, be careful folks!

post #54 of 57
Thread Starter 

First day after a multiple year lay off from skiing I :hopmad: pulled a back muscle booting up in the parking lot:nono:  It hurt like hell but it didn't stop me from skiing.

post #55 of 57

Learning to walk in ski boot.

 

Priceless.

 

 

Should be first level of instruction for a noob.

post #56 of 57

if you have lace ups, liners loose and boots buckled tights, booster strap dragging behind

regular liners, foot buckled tight, cuff open, booster tight

 

3 piece park boots, all open

 

rentals, only allowed to walk in them if left boot on right foot and right boot on left foot (i've actually witness this :eek )

post #57 of 57
Thread Starter 

I saw a Jr High kid come out of the rental shop for my ski club lesson wearing 2 left boots. Took her back in the shop to laugh at my friends that were working in there that afternoon and got her fixed up.   We never did figure out who ended up with two right boots.

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