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Just returned from a trip to Italy. In a discussion with my buddy, I was asked to demonstrate the difference between pivoting turns and carving turns on the same run. I then try to put it in left and right. What I found the crucial point is the neutral. As long as neutral is there one can start any type of turn at will. Any thought? smile.gif

 

video to share: any comment welcome, good or bad.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVZHxU4CMgg

 

just for fun, which side is carving, which side is pivoting? left or right?

post #2 of 8

The right turns are more pivoted, but IMO none of the turns are carved.

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Hi carver, good to see you back.  Jamt answered your riddle already, but please talk more about the neutral thing you mentioned.  You said, "As long as neutral is there one can start any type of turn at will."  What aspect of neutral are you referring to?  In your current thinking, what constitutes "there"?  

 

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Thanks both for the response. :)  In fact I made a mistake about the term carving. Its not a carving turn it's just that no active pivoting was involved but using the sidecut.

Hi Rick, long time no chat!  By neutral I mean I stand on both skis with both skis flat and have my fore/aft balance regulated, at this very moment I have two options. One is to pivot by letting my legs pivot about my pelvit joint, another option is to tip my skis so that the sidecut is helping to turn. I did it on purpose to check whether it is possible to switch between tipping and pivoting in the very short time. Now I m happy to see you guys confirm its there. :)

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carver hk, If you were just using the side cut there would be no spray of snow, there is a pivot in there it is towards the end of your turns , pushing the tails out a bit that is what is causing the spray. To use just the side cut of the ski you would have a longer drawn out turn and be moving a lot faster especially on that pitch. I get what you mean about neutral and to find that and feel that flatness in  the transition for however long is good for base/ edge awareness.Try tipping a bit more gently and progressively thru out the whole turn and feel the edges connect with the snow laying down clean lines.

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carver hk, If you were just using the side cut there would be no spray of snow, there is a pivot in there it is towards the end of your turns , pushing the tails out a bit that is what is causing the spray.

I think it is a good observation. It is certainly not pure carving or it would be too fast and it would not be suitable for fun skiing. What I did in the 'carving' part is more like brushed carve. As I aware there were no redirection of skis as I did in the pivoting part. From my memory its more like brushing the edges on the snow with uneven tip/tail pressure so that the tail goes faster that the ski tip but somehow the sidecut leeds where the way to go. And eventually release to enter the neutral state. Or do you see a clear redirection as in the pivoting part?
 

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carver, I see a good combination of tip and twist, I think the best part is on your initiation to the turn you tend towards tipping the skis first instead of pivoting, indicated by the high edge angles you produce. You are correct in the brushing the edges part where towards the end of the turns you are using more pivot/turn versus pure tipping. I would not say the tail is going faster than the tips but more outside the line the tips initially take. It is a good blending of skills (tipping/turning) that you use effectively on that pitch and with the crowd conditions. Yes I do see a redirecting of the skis ( I prefer the words edge change) with release and that redirecting at the start of the turn happens with edge tipping. For the most part I think it is better to tip then turn which you are doing very well ,versus turn then try to tip skis

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I dont see that much difference in the turns. The turn past the cameraman to the right does not look any more pivotted than the previous one. Also, the conditions are not really good to contrast different techniques.

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