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Bases dry after skiing for 6 hours?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

I'm looking at my bases and under the binding and a bit forwards they are really dry on the inside. 


I waxed them before skiing yesterday with CH7, temp was about 27 degrees and the snow was old.


Would you describe this as normal?


I was only skiing (lift and down the hill) for 6 hours...

post #2 of 15

How many prior base prep wax cycles before CH7?

post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

None, I always wax my skis every time I ski.  They had CH6 in the base underneath the 7.


Edit:  I had ironed in CH6 twice after last ski before I ironed in 7.  I also usually iron the same wax 4-6 times, letting the ski cool each time before the next pass of the iron.  Then I scrape and brush.

post #4 of 15

I'm not a tech expert. some here would want to know what model skis, to know what bases they have. new skis need a lot of reps to be sealed up well. wrong temp wax will wear off very quickly. not familiar with your C series waxes.

post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 

They are Head Xeonon's so I'm sure the base is extruded and not sintered.


I initially waxed them maybe 6 or 8 times when I got them before I put them on snow.  They never went on snow twice without waxing.


Would skiing more aggressively wear the wax off faster?  I have been skiing much more aggressive than before.  Aggressive meaning faster and tighter turns.


Davluri, maybe I did have the wrong wax on.


Could over brushing remove wax from the base itself?

post #6 of 15

You could have base burn from your iron.  Do you keep it moving all the time?  Do you exert a little upwards pull on it while ironing?


Irons can definitely burn the base and make it less able to absorb wax.  Sounds like you hot iron a lot, maybe that's what's going on?

post #7 of 15
Thread Starter 

I keep it moving, but I don't have any upwards pull on it....frown.gif


I take it there should always be some upwards pull....

post #8 of 15

I think SMJ is saying that you want the iron on the wax, not the base, so check that. If the wax is smoking, the iron is too hot, turn it down till wax melts but doesn't smoke. old snow is very abrasive and will abrade wax more quickly. how you ski isn't such a factor. brushing can't dry the base. when you say dry, do you mean kinda' greyish instead of glossy black? excess wax will abrade off, but if it leaves a glossy black surface, your good.

post #9 of 15

I was taught to always put a very slight upwards pull on the iron, almost creates a little suction, as davluri says it shouldn't smoke.  Ideally there would be about a 2-3" band of molten wax behind the iron as you slowly drag it across the skis.


I'm not saying you've burned your bases, but it's possible.  If the skis have metal in them the iron (so I was told) heats up the metal if you have it too hot, which adds to the possibility of too much heat on the bases.  I feel the top sheets of the skis while I iron, as soon as they start feeling warm at all I know that's enough heat on that area.


Worst case is you'd need to have them stone ground and start over again.

post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 

Davluri:  The wax only smokes when it's wax left on the iron from last waxing and the new wax is colder and subsequentially I'm using a hotter iron.  Yes, greyish.  Perhaps I don't know what a dry base even looks like because I started waxing on bases that were not p-tex, and I've never let my alpine's go without waxing (which are my only p-tex base skis).


I can scrape the grey area off with my finger nail, and it's glossy underneath it like the rest of the base.  Glossy meaning if I put my fingers up to it I can see their mirror image.


SkiMangoJazz:  Yes, I do overheat my skis at times, with an 8" strip of molten wax behind the iron.  I've been trying to not overheat them lately.


Luckly I'm not going to be using these as a major ski after this year since they are mushy under my feet.  Looking for something stiff with a tight turning radius (these are 14.9m).


I'm going to wax them now and see if they accept wax.


post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 

Turns out I had a really bad case of p-tex micro hairs.  I never sharpened my scrapper and my guess is that it was pushing them down.  I sharpened it with a razor blade and lone behold, and the bottom of my ironed on wax layer was a grey layer of wax.....


The base of that ski is now glossy black again. 

post #12 of 15
Originally Posted by Pine View Post

I can scrape the grey area off with my finger nail, and it's glossy underneath it like the rest of the base.  Glossy meaning if I put my fingers up to it I can see their mirror image.



Sounds more like a buildup of wax or something else than dry bases. Can you scrape it off like you would scrape wax off after hot waxing? Dry bases do look grey, but its not something you can scrape off, it sounds like the glossy black underneath is nicely waxed p-tex, just with some gunk stuck over it. Even on man made snow i wouldn't expect 6 hours to result in very dry bases if the waxing was done alright.



post #13 of 15

good functional tools are important to a serious skier.

glad you stuck to it and worked it out. so satisfying to figure it out and have that knowledge for the future.

post #14 of 15

I always apply a colder wax to my edge areas to help avoid base burn.  When I come in at the end of the day and take my skis off outside, the edge areas on the base look fine.  After a few minutes indoors, they look like they have base burn, but you can easily remove the grey with your fingernail and then it's glossy.  I think it's just wax coming out of the skis from the temperature change.  I don't worry unless it doesn't go away after a slight scratch with my nail.

post #15 of 15
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Mine looks like it while outside right after skiing.  The skis look like it again, on my inside edges under the bindings to a bit forwards again, where the pressure is.  Old snow, and very slow, I'm at this point just assuming abrasion, but now that I have a block of CH4 sitting here I am going to start waxing the middle of my edges with it.

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