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post #31 of 57
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Originally Posted by funkywalker View Post

 

Your recent review (and Dawgcatching's of course) me considering the Motive 84s as my everyday EC ski.  I was wondering what length you bought, as I'm the same height, but a little lighter.  I've found a good deal on the Motive 84s but having not demo'd them, I'm not sure.

6', 175lbs and I ski the 175cm 84. It will be just right unless you're always going mach schnellie.

post #32 of 57

Thanks DaveB.  I don't suppose you've skied the E88s, E83s or Bushwackers as comparison to the Motive 84s?

post #33 of 57

I to have been intrigued by this ski. Level 9 has a great deal on them and after a half season of disappointment on my Head iPeak pro78, I have designated the heads as my "rock skis" and pulled the trigger on the motive C84 in a 175cm. I have yet to own a Fisher that I have not loved and I am sure this one will not disappoint. I will post after the weekend. I am at Cannon this weekend and will give them a good "run for their money"!

post #34 of 57

I jumped on the level 9 deal as well, and bought a pair of Motive 84 C-Line at 175.  Have only tested them with the kids, but can't wait to get them on some steeper pitches ASAP!

post #35 of 57

Mine just came in today. Looks like a well built ski and feels like it has a good flex. minimal rocker in the tip, which I like.  I still prefer a full  Camber ski for where I usually ski and if the Motive 84 skis nearly as well as other fishers I have owned in the past, I will be  a very happy camper.. I am eyeing on upgrading or complimenting my wife's intuitive 74's with a bit of a more "modern" ski and the motive looks like it could fit the bill. I was eying the legend 85 a few weeks back and when I finally got around to pulling the trigger, they were sold out. I spoke to a few shop owners and they all agreed that the motive 84 is a direct competitor and in the same genre/category as the legend 85, but is lighter and a bit snappier, so I may even like it better than the legend. I am looking forward to getting it out there this weekend!

post #36 of 57

Let me know how you like it. where do you ski?

post #37 of 57

Okay, I got two fantastic days of skiing in fresh snow this weekend at Cannon.Here is my rather long winded summary of this interesting ski. My feelings are mixed on the motive C-84 but I think the more I ski it, the more I will get dialed and like it.  The skis were incredibly sharp and I took them to the shop at the base and ran a gummy stone over them to bring it down  the edges a notch. They came with a 1Dbase/3Dside bevel which I like but they were a bit grabby and were hopping a bit on the hard snow between the bumps so the gummy stone helped with that a lot. I had the binding set in the middle position.

Day 1-2"-4" fresh on a busy Saturday. We went right to the front 5 and hit the bumps on Zoomer, liftline and Paulies. I wanted to do some warm ups on some groomers to get used to the ski, but I had some buddies up for the weekend and they want to get right after it, so we did. My first impressions were that the ski felt shorter  than a 175cm and the tail was like a slalom race ski. 84cm under foot is the widest ski I have ever been on except for powder skiing out west so it took a few runs to find the balance point and my center. The ski was  literally launching me off the snow between some turns and I found the lighter I I skied them, better the ski responded. On any flat terrain I could find, which was not much that day, the ski felt like a wide GS board with a stiff tail. Edge hold was good, but not great, more I think due to the factory tune and I found that in the deep bumps this ski was kicking my butt! If I got behind at all, I was getting launched between bumps and several times had to bail out of bumps runs I routinely do nn my Head peaks 78's or even my speed courses .As the day went on I got more accustomed to the ski, but found it to be much more demanding than I expected from reading the write ups. At the end of day 1, my feelings were that this was not what I was expecting. I was expecting a more relaxed type of board.

 

Day 2: 4"-6" fresh but much less crowded. Sunday we found fresh tracks all over the hill between 9:00am and 10:00am and I really started to find my center with this ski. We went back to the front 5 after a few warm ups and hit some big soft bumps and I found the ski to be much better than day 1. These skis will keep you  honest and I found that I could not get in the back seat at all or they wanted to run straight. They liked to be skied from the center forward. The tail feels very wide and stiff and I was finding that if I just rolled them onto edge and did not work the shovels , like I do with a narrower ski, they performed quite well. Edgehold was much better on Day 2. I took them into some glades as well and they were very quick and nimble, but again I had to work harder than what I was anticipating from this ski beacuse of the lively tail. On the flatter groomed steeps like Avalanche and Paulies that day, they were really fun and they came around so fast that several times they surprised me . My friends thought I was skiing well on them on Sunday, but I still felt a little out of sorts in the morning.

The other thing that surprised me was that this ski is so "Fast". It ran so fast on the flats and steeps that it really felt to me like a wide race like ski.It has a very fast base.

After lunch I took it easy and stayed on some Blues that were somewhat flatter and toyed around with the nuances of the ski and I really started to enjoy it. It is very snappy and quick edge to edge in typical Fischer tradition and I found it more demanding than my previous Progressor 800, yet overall better performing and livelier. I need a few more turns on these before I would designate them my go to ski, but I found that the more I skied, the higher the" fun factor" rose. Trying out new skis on a powder, crud day was not the best scenario, but I found that by the end of the weekend I really liked them. My buddy who skis a Bonafide clicked into them and tried them as well and his impressions were the same as mine. Lively,snappy ski! he was surpised an 84cm ski had so much pop!

 I would not designate this an "intermediate" ski but more of an advanced to expert ski, which is fine by me, but again what I was expecting and what I got was two different things. I skied the sultan legend series before and this ski is much livelier and more demanding than a sultan 80 or 85 which this is positioned against. I think a few more days on them and I will really start to fully enjoy them. They have all the qualities I look for in my skis, but in a wider version and with a snappier tail than what I was expecting.

post #38 of 57

Basil J, 

 

I think you are bang on when you commented  that the  Motive 84 responds to a lighter balanced touch.{by balanced I mean evenly distributed weight  across both uphill and downhill edge with a light balanced two footed release/transition }  Once I figured this out the skis  suddenly came alive. This same approach applied to chopped powder or fresh snow {4 to 8 inches} on top of groomed snow provides  a very enjoyable experience.  I typically considered myself a 'power skier' but  have since changed my approach and am much  happier for it and can ski for longer periods of time without getting fatigued.I was out skiing wet crud yesterday and got spun around while attempting to navigate at slow speed. Once up to speed though the ski had no problem.  The ski does let you know when you are 'in back seat' but is much more forgiving then previous 'bucking' Volkls.

 

Again, my main complaint  with this ski is durability. On both skis the top sheets are peeling away where sheet meets the edge resulting in exposed carbon fibre.  The cf will then splinter off in sizeable 'strips'.  Also , at mid point of ski the carbon fibre layer is starting to  separate from core. Tried epoxying it but had no luck. I think I am going to take an exacto knife and cut around lifted area and then apply epoxy to cleaned area{would appreciate comments on approach}.  At the current rate of decay I will be lucky to get 2 seasons out the ski which is a bit of a shame. I've owned Atomics, Volkls and K2s and have never had this issue.

 

I picked up a pair  of Fischer Soma Progressor 120 boots at Level Nine for a great price and they pair very well with this ski! 

post #39 of 57

It is concerning that your ski is delaminating. One of the fisher traits I have always like is that they are typically durable. I wonder if you could get it warrantied and get a new pair???

I received lots of compliments in the lift lines from folks saying that it looked like a "bad ass ski". there are not too many Black skis out there. I hope they last. I am very eager to get back out there but will have to wait till next week. Thanks for chiming in. Any other advise for this ski would be appreciated.

What setting do you have the bindings on?

Do you feel any difference between settings or is it just a gimmick? I typically ski with 80% of my weight on my outside ski and these seemed to respond pretty good to this style.

Are you saying that they will be easier if I ski with in a more two footed fashion with my weight more evenly distributed? I am an east coaster so I am typically on hard pack and have never really adopted two footed style.

Do you find the tail to be very aggressive or is it just me getting used to a new board? I was literally launching down a steep trail yesterday between turns and found that they were incredibly lively on hard snow.

post #40 of 57

Basil, try the Motive 80. Same level of fun without the butt kicking.

post #41 of 57

I probably should have tried the 80, but I got a great deal on the 84 and I am sure I will get dialed into it. I may try the 80 for an upgrade for my wife. She is looking for an upgrade for her intuitive 84's.

post #42 of 57

I agree that the black carbon fiber look is very cool. I typically set the 'dial' to yellow on groomers/mixed conditions , black  in bumps/slow speed runs with lots of tight turns and red when I am ripping at high speeds. I find the tuning actually works more so  then my former tigershark's power switch technology.

 

I am surprised by the level of wear on the top sheet. I cut away the lifted laminate sections tonight so hopefully this will do the trick.I thought about sending  them back for warranty but it would be a  real pain to send them  back to Ski  Depot {Maine} . I live in  eastern canada and buy most of my gear from the US. On the positive , I am learning much about ski repair!

 

I've been working exclusively on my inside edge this year in order to improve my all mountain skiing abilities. It was rough going at first but  was worth the effort.  I've gone from a 90/10 distribution to more of a 50/50 and 60/40 on gs type turns. The ski responds very well to balanced edging  especially on the softer snow as the ski starts to  really come alive. As you experiment with ski I am  sure you find out some interesting nuggets.  I find I am able to work them similar to my Volkl racetiger SLs...I think this is why I like this ski so much as it   shows glimpses of   race ski qualities without all the hassle and required work. On pitch i find I can really get the ski around very quickly and don't have to worry about hooking up if I let them run. If I was coming from an easier skiing ski I might find the 84s  problematic. Also , i am skiing the 168 version which gives them that extra bit of  'go-cart' like qualities.

 

Was skiing a  nice bump run the other day and was struggling with control. I changed my center of balance to a more neutral position and kept boot pressure constant{eliminated upper body lift} and found this made a huge difference.

 

 

The tail is very dynamic and lively. On blue runs I find I can load the tail and get excellent rebound..has a very cool 'launch' sensation when unloading. I find the timing of the  unload is just right. I've had a few other pairs of skis where the rebound was delayed and found I had difficulties with timing the rebound. On blacks I tend  to use the softer edge approach to control speed and avoid loading the ski for safety reasons!  On that note , I hit some boiler plater east coast ice  the other day and had to put my uphill hand down to prevent me from going down. The Volks IMO are   superior on ice.

post #43 of 57

"Was skiing a  nice bump run the other day and was struggling with control. I changed my center of balance to a more neutral position and kept boot pressure constant{eliminated upper body lift} and found this made a huge difference."

I also found that when in the bumps, as long as I felt the constant pressure on my  Boot tongues, I was all right, otherwise, I always felt like I was "catching up to the ski" and it was easily getting away from me. My speed courses are more ski for sure, but the flex is very consistent trhough out the ski and bump skiing is a little more predictable for me on those. The peak 78 pro has a pretty soft tail & shovel and I can get downright lazy in the bumps or trees with those and always revover easily. It will be a learning curve for sure, I will keep it fun.!

post #44 of 57

Hmm.. quite tore between teh C-Line and the Blackeye Ti, which one should I get for east coast?

the only thing preventing me to jump onto the C-line now is that I already have a BBR 8.9 (got it for 420 after tax), its not the greatest for east coast (Ottawa)' shitty hill, and getting the C-line is like getting two SUVs. 

 

gonna demo the Ti this weekend @ tremblant, I did demo the 76 and loved it, it felt like an extension of my leg, but I think I might grow out of it quite fast, and I dun think I can demo the C-line anywhere since they are from 2011. 


Anyone can comment on the C-Line vs Blackeye TI? 

 

abt me: can ski some black, mostly on blue. 180cm, 185-190lb. agressive, and like to turn


Edited by richDDT - 3/13/13 at 8:13am
post #45 of 57

Hi richDDT,

 

As a fellow Ottawan, I know the terrain we deal with (Fortune, Edelweiss, Ste. Marie) so hopefully I can give you some help on the C-Lines. A little about me for a comparison, I'm a smaller guy (40, 5'10", 155 lbs), and pretty aggressive skier that likes to ski steep terrain and bumps (mostly blacks, some blues).

 

I just came back from Jay Peak this weekend with my first time really getting the Motive 84 C-Lines (175cm) onto some more exciting runs. Conditions at Jay were heavily mixed.  It rained earlier in the week followed by a freeze, but it snowed everyday and more at night.  The sun wasn't out enough to soften things up much, so there was snow everywhere at the start of the day, but it turned to patches over true EC ice by noon.  The woods had a lot of snow but again, due to the rain earlier in the week, it was sketchy on the steaper runs with more exposure.

 

Anyways, I would consider this pretty typical Northeast conditions and these skis were perfect!  I was ripping with tons of confidence.  I never felt over or underpowered on them.  They just felt like a part of me.  I typically stick to the sides of groomers since the snow gets pushed there, but I could take the center line of a steeper run like "The Jet" with no worry about losing an edge going from snow to ice.  I could easily transition from short snappy turns to high-speed arcs and back with ease.  Unfortunately, the bumps I found were all monstrous ice blocks that tempted the eye with the dusting of snow that covered them (good from far, but far from good smile.gif).  I also didn't have a great chance at really testing the "float", but I'm confident they will be fine for what we get in the East and good enough for my trips out west.  I was smiling at the end of every run.  Fun skis for sure!

 

I haven't tried the Blackeye Ti or the BBRs, so I can't give you a comparison.  Closest "feeling" skis to the Motives that I've demoed were the Rossi Experience 83s.  I also tried and liked the Blizzard Bushwackers, but I can't see them being as much fun on low snow days as the Fischers are.

 

Hope this helps.

post #46 of 57

Did you get these in the trees while at Jay? I bought these primarily for going into the trees at Jay, but have not yet had a chance to get up there. My buddies were at Jay yesterday and they said that the tree skiing was quite good. They rarely even ski on the open slopes due to the vast amount of Glade skiing available at JayPpeak. I am curious as to how these will handle in tight spaces, especially with it's lively tail. I am taking from work on Thursday  and heading up to Cannon to ski some powder (hopefully) on these baords later this week.

post #47 of 57

I didn't get them into any significant tree skiing.  All of the runs I dipped into were mostly tracked out.  Regardless, I didn't sink in any of the untracked parts and had no trouble with maneovering the boards.  As for the lively tail, I didn't find it unforgiving.  Any time I seemed to get a little backseat, and feel a bit of a kick, I wasn't punished.  Just enough of a reminder to charge a little harder (as long as my legs were up for it smile.gif)

 

Have fun at Cannon.  Hope you get some fresh snow!

post #48 of 57
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Originally Posted by funkywalker View Post

Hi richDDT,

 

As a fellow Ottawan, I know the terrain we deal with (Fortune, Edelweiss, Ste. Marie) so hopefully I can give you some help on the C-Lines. A little about me for a comparison, I'm a smaller guy (40, 5'10", 155 lbs), and pretty aggressive skier that likes to ski steep terrain and bumps (mostly blacks, some blues).

 

I just came back from Jay Peak this weekend with my first time really getting the Motive 84 C-Lines (175cm) onto some more exciting runs. Conditions at Jay were heavily mixed.  It rained earlier in the week followed by a freeze, but it snowed everyday and more at night.  The sun wasn't out enough to soften things up much, so there was snow everywhere at the start of the day, but it turned to patches over true EC ice by noon.  The woods had a lot of snow but again, due to the rain earlier in the week, it was sketchy on the steaper runs with more exposure.

 

Anyways, I would consider this pretty typical Northeast conditions and these skis were perfect!  I was ripping with tons of confidence.  I never felt over or underpowered on them.  They just felt like a part of me.  I typically stick to the sides of groomers since the snow gets pushed there, but I could take the center line of a steeper run like "The Jet" with no worry about losing an edge going from snow to ice.  I could easily transition from short snappy turns to high-speed arcs and back with ease.  Unfortunately, the bumps I found were all monstrous ice blocks that tempted the eye with the dusting of snow that covered them (good from far, but far from good smile.gif).  I also didn't have a great chance at really testing the "float", but I'm confident they will be fine for what we get in the East and good enough for my trips out west.  I was smiling at the end of every run.  Fun skis for sure!

 

I haven't tried the Blackeye Ti or the BBRs, so I can't give you a comparison.  Closest "feeling" skis to the Motives that I've demoed were the Rossi Experience 83s.  I also tried and liked the Blizzard Bushwackers, but I can't see them being as much fun on low snow days as the Fischers are.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Thx funkywalker

 

Wonder whats your BSL is, maybe we can switch ski to test , since we are both in Ottawa :D, I really like my BBR, specially day like today where we just had a 20cm dump, let me know if you would like to meet up and test out the skis :)

 

I might be looking at a motive 80 cline instead since I already have a wide underfoot ski

post #49 of 57

Okay. So I Brought these ski's into the pro shop on Thursday at Cannon to see what was up with them. This should not be so demanding of a ski, especially based on my history with Fischer products. I have yet to ski a Fischer I did not like. Turns out that the ski was razor sharp from tip to tail, so they detuned the shovels and the tails about 3-4" on each end. they were so grabby, that I was literally fighting the ski on every run, not knowing exactly what was wrong. This helped explain why I was struggling so much in the bumps and on the straights and even on the steeps. Since then I have skied 3 days at Cannon, all with 4"-7" of fresh snow each day in low 30D weather. By simply de-tuning these, they went from grabby and stiff feeling to smooth and extremely easy and light feeling. I have been in the trees and the bumps for the last two days and these have turned out to be some of the easiest skis I have ever skied on. Edge grip is still excellent, but now turn initiation is smooth and easy and the stiff feeling grabby tail is now feels well tempered and very forgiving, yet still snappy when you stomp on it. Amazing how a simple adjustment can make all the difference in the world! I did about 40 runs within the three days canvassing the whole mountain as well as every open glade and I simply fell in love with this ski. You can be lazy or aggressive and the ski responds equally well. This is a good bump ski, a good hard pack ski, and in the 7" of powder I got on Thursday morning, pretty good in shallow powder as well. Also putting around with the kids, the ski is very good at slow speeds as well as fairly high speeds. ( Still like my Speed course better for just ripping GS turns). I really started to dial on the flex of this ski and you can really pressure the ski through a turn with subtle continuous pressure that results in very nice  Medium sized GS turns that hold on hard pack like a CCM hockey skate.

This has turned out to be an excellent purchase and I am glad I went with these. I now have my 2 ski east coast quiver.I left the binding in the neutral position and it was just fine, so I did not tinker with it. For $349.00, this was the deal of the year.

post #50 of 57

I couldn't be happier with choosing these as the first set of skis I've owned in over 15 years!

 

I'm curious about the tune you mentioned Basil J.  Have you played with the binding settings.  I tried yellow for a couple of runs and they were "grabby", leaving me feeling like a passenger rather than the driver.  Black felt good in softer conditions, as suggested in the "brochure", but wasn't good enough when transitioning back onto the hardpack, so I have been sticking with red for the most part and been really happy.

post #51 of 57

richDDT, my BSL is 317.   It would be fun to try your BBRs.  Too bad the snow is disappearing fast.  If I can get out another time before it's gone, I'll let you know and maybe we could meet up.

post #52 of 57

I leave the binding in the neutral position, I believe red setting, but I have to look at the ski. It is on the middle setting.

 I honestly did not feel much of a difference switching between the settings. I am 6' 195lbs and like a fairly stiff cambered ski and the neutral setting feels just fine. The ski came with a 1'base/3' side bevel and was razor sharp from tip to tail. I mean razor sharp, to the point that they almost cut my hand picking them up at one point. The shop employee simply took a file and rounded off the tail and tip for about a 3"-4" in length from each end and it literally transformed the ski. Still razor sharp under foot, these skis now handle in a very cooperative manner. Another buddy of mine who skis a legend 8000 took them for a ride this weekend and he just ordered a pair of the 182's.I noticed that the 84 is no longer available. the new Motive 80 has received rave reviews, but honestly I am very happy with the 84 and it is an excellent 2nd ski to accompany my Dynastar speed course.

post #53 of 57

I was lucky enough to pick up a pair of motive 80's in a 182 for a song a few weeks back. Phil's comparison is spot on. The 80 is more even tempered, has a huge sweet spot and is very good in the bumps, powder and crud. The edge hold is good, not great, the 84 ironically had a better edge hold, probably because it is a stiffer ski even though it is wider. The 80 is everything that I wanted the Head I pro Peak 78 to be. it is an easy skiing ski, that even in a 182cm comes around very easily, easy in the bumps and makes nice medium to long radius turns easily, but can still snap off some short turns without a ton of effort. I don't know what the factory tune is on it so I will be curious to see if I can get better edge hold with a fresh tune. I sold my 84's in 3 hours and am happily using the 80's when I am not slicing and dicing on my Elan SLX or Dynastar speed courses. This is a good all purpose ski for someone who ski a little of everything and only wants to own one pair of boards.

post #54 of 57

Dawg, do you have any Fischer 10+'s? I'm 5' 8 150lb, is the 170 the way to go? 

post #55 of 57

I found the sweet spot on the 84 got bigger after moving the binding forward 1 set of holes (~1cm to 12mm, I didn't measure). I found no negative in doing this but lost a little bit of the aggressive nature of the ski. When I was thinking about this, I did find some posts that said Fischer typically recommends a pretty rearward mount. Easy enough to try and reverse if it doesn't work for you.

post #56 of 57

Never mind; found them FS in the other section. Shipped to SoCal $450?

post #57 of 57
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Originally Posted by DaveB View Post
 

I found the sweet spot on the 84 got bigger after moving the binding forward 1 set of holes (~1cm to 12mm, I didn't measure). I found no negative in doing this but lost a little bit of the aggressive nature of the ski. When I was thinking about this, I did find some posts that said Fischer typically recommends a pretty rearward mount. Easy enough to try and reverse if it doesn't work for you.


Dave. I really liked the Motive 84, but felt that the ski was too aggressive and unforgiving, compared to the 80. Not a huge difference in performance, but the 80 is much more forgiving and just felt smoother and more even tempered. The 80 is extremely easy in the bumps and off trail, where the 84 would throw me around a bit if I got caught off balance or in the back seat a bit. I would have kept the 84, but the wife said one of them had to go, so the 84's went! They certainly are an excellent ski.

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