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2011 Fischer Motive 84 and Motive 80: Full length reviews

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2011 Fischer Motive 84 and Motive 80: full-length reviews.

 

I had a chance to ski both of these today in fairly challenging conditions: perfect for determining how a ski handles varying snow conditions. I loved the Motive 80 and 84 when we tested them last spring (we ordered a bunch for sale and demo as a result) and wanted more time on them (I have been considering making the Motive 84 my firmer snow ski).

 

Conditions: some scratchy, firm snow, some wind-blown snow a couple of inches deep, some challenging shark fins as a result of wind compaction, with a few bowling balls thrown in for good measure, and some soft, uneven bumps. I don't know what it is with the bumps here; they either resemble a luge run, or tend to get oddly grouped together and out of sync.

 

Fischer Motive 84, 175cm. New ski for 2011, a laminate layup, with carbon and wood. Hand flexing the ski shows it to be moderate, and quite light in weight. Has the 3-position adjustable flexing plate. All testing was done in the middle section.

 

1st run was on scratchy groomers. This ski was extremely solid, and obviously a great choice for groomers. It was a bit aggressive to initiate, and really launched once on edge. It liked big GS arcs best, and it was also extremely stable, at least as much as my Elan Apex 177cm. I found it to be much, much more energetic than the Apex, and more exciting. It had some real pop in the tail, a lot of zoom at the top of the turn, and slalom-like energy at times. Overall feel was light on the snow; like a race ski, but like a powerful, yet light and flickable race ski. It was the anti-Head/Nordica/Blizzard/Kastle/Dynastar; that heavy, damp, snow-hugging feel just isn't present in the Motive 84. Instead, it almost seems to hover on top of the snow, ready to explode out of the turn, and has a fun, light feel to it, yet gives up nothing in terms of stability. I would liken it somewhat to the Watea feel, except with much better edge hold, power, excitement, and overall a race-like feel. Yet, it was extremely forgiving. I would say it is more forgiving than the similar Blizzard Magnum 8.1, Kastle MX78, Nordica Jet Fuel HR i-Core, and similar to the Sultan in terms of forgiveness. There aren't many 17m skis that provide a good dose of SL energy in high-speed GS arcs, but this is one of them. There is a lot of energy packed into this ski, and it feel like a “race bred” ski, something you can't say about many skis these days. I think edge hold is comparable to the other skis mentioned above, with the exception of the MX78 from Kastle, which is in a league of it's own.

 

2nd run: trees and bumps. There was maybe 1 inch of fresh (dust on crust) in the trees, and the bumps were oddly shaped but soft. In the trees, this ski was a breeze. Very forgiving, easy to initiate, smooth, predictable. For the power it had on the hard snow, it was nearly a different ski in the trees; just easygoing and precise. It was just as good in bumps: the tip is fairly soft compared to many skis in this category, and it was a really, really good bump ski. It absorbed all transitions and didn't put me in a bad place if I was late or lazy with my feet. Overall, more than acceptable: one of the best bump skis I have been on in quite awhile.

 

3rd run: cut-up crud. Again, the ski was fairly easy to pilot, and didn't toss me around. I would rate crud performance as average: it wasn't as forgiving as a Watea, but still a smooth ski that didn't catch and pull me around where I didn't want to go. And, I could carry some speed on it. The Apex was superior in the crud, no doubt: bigger sweet spot, less turn radius, more of a big-turn blaster. But, the Motive, for a fairly aggressive frontside ski, held it's own, and gave back plenty of energy on the groomer. Especially for a fairly light ski, and one that is extremely powerful. I don't think the Apex is particularly fun on groomers; they are OK to ski, but it is more at home off-piste. I would consider it reliable on groomers, but not really something that excels there. On the Motive, I might ski some groomers from time to time, as they really bring the terrain alive and make it exciting.

 

Overall, I really liked this ski. It has a rare blend of bump performance, crud skiing ability, ease in tight spots, and plenty of power on hard snow. It is probably for people looking for a versatile ski that really gives up very little on hard snow and groomers, and can go anywhere. Somewhat similar to the Sultan 85 from Dynastar, but completely different in feel (heavy and damp vs. light and lively). I would take a Watea if my primary focus was off-piste, but if I spent at least 25-30% of my time on groomers and didn't want to skimp on performance there, but wanted something way more versatile than, say an AC50, the Motive 84 is a home run. I would seriously consider buying it if I didn't have too many skis already. Plus, I already have a couple of 88mm skis, so if I were to get a frontside ski, it would probably be sub 80mm. Still though, this would be an excellent narrow ½ of a 2-ski Western quiver, or a great every day Eastern ski. It has such awesome edge hold and does so well in tight spaces, it could really rip back East.

 

Motive 80 from Fischer: also a new ski: softer than the 84, and one step down in performance. It could be compared to Dynastar's Sultan 80, where as the Motive 84 is similar to the Sultan 85. Has the Railflex replacement (Powerrail) binding system, and vertical sidewalls, but is not as stiff as the 84. Skied in 175cm.

 

1st run: scratchy groomer: again a zippy ski. Very fun, more energy even than the Motive 84. Edge hold wasn't quite there like it was on the 84, but still adequate: this is a softer ski, with a bigger sweet spot. It ripped around, but I did feel it didn't want to constantly accelerate like the 84: that ski just wants to go faster, whereas the 80 wants to chill a bit more and relax. Maybe a 30-35mph upper ceiling? Extremely smooth yet light on the snow; this is a unique feeling ski, similar to a Watea series. VERY forgiving: it is hard to make a mistake on this ski, and it responds instantly to input. A great ski for a skier taking clinics, which often involve slow-speed, balanced drills to improve skills. As it responds instantly to input, it makes a great “skill-building” tool. Also, very fun for those not burning up the mountain at 45mph+. It really did have quite a bit of spring in the tail, similar to the 84, but I felt like I couldn't make a mistake on it. It was mellower at the top of the turn: the 84 pulls you in and tosses you across the fall line: the 80 is less aggressive, and takes more time to set up onto edge.

 

2nd run: bumps and trees: This ski is extremely easy to pilot around any obstacle. It practically turns itself. Great for off-piste adventures. Bumps were as good, if not better than the 84. Smooth, huge sweet spot, easy to maneuver, good with pivoting as well as moving the feet. A great tool for any sort of bump field.

 

3rd run: challenging crud; The 80 was a bit more forgiving than the 84 here: larger sweet spot, ease of release in softer snow. It did get bounced just a bit more at speed. Great at slower speeds, more at home for less aggressive skiing and skiers, no doubt. Again, light yet smooth, a joy to ski. It didn't really want to charge; I felt a bit tossed around in rough snow once skiing above the skis' comfort level. But, at the speeds most people ski, this was a performance-oriented, relaxing ride. I never felt tossed around at lower speeds, and thought it again would be a great tool for learning how to properly ski crud and really work the ski from tip to tail, which comes into handy on steeper, dicier terrain.

 

Overall, this was a very impressive ski. More suited to mid-energy or mid-speed skiers with performance in mind; the person who doesn't want some dead K2, but also want somewhat of a race-bred feel with some horsepower under the hood. Quite suited to off-piste adventures, but totally at home on the groomed, at any sub-mach speed. Lots of energy, an incredible light, lively snow feel, and very forgiving for what it is. Matches up well with the Sultan 80. Great ski for many skiers, and a ski that could take you up to the solid expert level, on and off-piste.

 

A note about the tune: the Motive 84 was a bit railed out of the box; it was a touch aggressive edge to edge. Not too bad, and certainly worth skiing, but the demo pairs I have been on had full grinds on them and had zero grabbiness. The out of the wrapper Motive 84 had a bit, this pair was a bit railed at the contact point and to about 5cm toward the binding. The 80 was about like I remember it being tune-wise at the demo shows last spring, it comes accurate with regards to the tune. SJ can correct me if I am wrong, but I think the tune on this is 1/3.  

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Dawg,

great reviews and the 84 sounds like a really great ski.  I posted on the Sultan 94 threat, looking to buy an out west ski.  This one may be creeping up my list.

Perry

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Dawg,

great reviews and the 84 sounds like a really great ski.  I posted on the Sultan 94 threat, looking to buy an out west ski.  This one may be creeping up my list.

Perry


If you are off-piste a lot, the Sultan may be a better choice, as it is going to have the edge in crud and deeper snow. There is no doubt the Motive is a bit more demanding in crud, but is still quite forgiving.   If you find yourself on groomers quite a bit, bumps, and don't want to sacrifice a powerful, exciting feel on harder snow, the Motive would likely be better.  Both are great, just different depending on your priorities.

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Dawg,

great reviews and the 84 sounds like a really great ski.  I posted on the Sultan 94 threat, looking to buy an out west ski.  This one may be creeping up my list.

Perry


If you are off-piste a lot, the Sultan may be a better choice, as it is going to have the edge in crud and deeper snow. There is no doubt the Motive is a bit more demanding in crud, but is still quite forgiving.   If you find yourself on groomers quite a bit, bumps, and don't want to sacrifice a powerful, exciting feel on harder snow, the Motive would likely be better.  Both are great, just different depending on your priorities.


Thanks for the input, the Sultan and the One are on my list to demo and choose between.  But I do see the potential for the 84 to replace my SS mag in the future for a hard snow ski.

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Dawg,

great reviews and the 84 sounds like a really great ski.  I posted on the Sultan 94 threat, looking to buy an out west ski.  This one may be creeping up my list.

Perry


If you are off-piste a lot, the Sultan may be a better choice, as it is going to have the edge in crud and deeper snow. There is no doubt the Motive is a bit more demanding in crud, but is still quite forgiving.   If you find yourself on groomers quite a bit, bumps, and don't want to sacrifice a powerful, exciting feel on harder snow, the Motive would likely be better.  Both are great, just different depending on your priorities.


Thanks for the input, the Sultan and the One are on my list to demo and choose between.  But I do see the potential for the 84 to replace my SS mag in the future for a hard snow ski.


I know the SS Mag very well: I would say the mag is more exciting on hard snow, very good in bumps, feels quicker, a bit more damp and heavy, and of course has a smaller turn radius.  The Motive is a bigger-turning ski, lighter on the snow, has more float in crud, and is slightly easier  to release out of the turn.  It doesn't really have the near slalom-quickness of the Magnum, though.  I bet the Motive will end up being more versatile, but if one was just skiing groomers and bumps, the Mag is probably more fun. 

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Dawg,

great reviews and the 84 sounds like a really great ski.  I posted on the Sultan 94 threat, looking to buy an out west ski.  This one may be creeping up my list.

Perry


If you are off-piste a lot, the Sultan may be a better choice, as it is going to have the edge in crud and deeper snow. There is no doubt the Motive is a bit more demanding in crud, but is still quite forgiving.   If you find yourself on groomers quite a bit, bumps, and don't want to sacrifice a powerful, exciting feel on harder snow, the Motive would likely be better.  Both are great, just different depending on your priorities.


Thanks for the input, the Sultan and the One are on my list to demo and choose between.  But I do see the potential for the 84 to replace my SS mag in the future for a hard snow ski.


I know the SS Mag very well: I would say the mag is more exciting on hard snow, very good in bumps, feels quicker, a bit more damp and heavy, and of course has a smaller turn radius.  The Motive is a bigger-turning ski, lighter on the snow, has more float in crud, and is slightly easier  to release out of the turn.  It doesn't really have the near slalom-quickness of the Magnum, though.  I bet the Motive will end up being more versatile, but if one was just skiing groomers and bumps, the Mag is probably more fun. 


Thanks, that may save me $$ is better put elsewhere.  I wonder what you think about the Sultan vs the Watea 98.  SJ thought that at 200#, the Watea 98 might be too soft.  Do you agree that the Sultan and One are better choices?  Just picking your brain and thanks.

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Thanks, that may save me $$ is better put elsewhere.  I wonder what you think about the Sultan vs the Watea 98.  SJ thought that at 200#, the Watea 98 might be too soft.  Do you agree that the Sultan and One are better choices?  Just picking your brain and thanks.


Hi,

 

Well, The One is softer than the Watea 98, so it may not be any better. I haven't found the Watea to be "too" soft, although it is on the softer side. the Sultan is the better carver, fun in mixed conditions, and the Watea 98 is more fun in soft snow and soft bumps. It is more of the off-piste ski, whereas the Sultan is a 50/50 model.

 

 

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 I bought a pair of these (168s) from dawgcatching last week, and skied them Friday for the first time. I have some bigger skis, but needed something for days with no new snow -- bumps, groomers, leftovers, etc. This was the case at Winter Park/Mary Jane on Friday, although it had snowed a little all week -- although not the night before -- so the snow was nice and soft, just not deep. Some of the groomed at WP was getting a bit skied off, but all of MJ was soft. We spent about 20% of our time on groomed, and split the rest of the time between bumps and trees.

 

I won't belabor anything, his review was right on. What sold me was this: "It has a rare blend of bump performance, crud skiing ability, ease in tight spots, and plenty of power on hard snow. It is probably for people looking for a versatile ski that really gives up very little on hard snow and groomers, and can go anywhere. Somewhat similar to the Sultan 85 from Dynastar, but completely different in feel (heavy and damp vs. light and lively)." I had also been considering the Sultan, but I generally prefer light and lively to heavy and damp.

 

One nice thing -- which doesn't really have to do with the ski, but belongs in the threads about wide skis and knees -- is that after skiing from 10 to 4, my knees were completely fine, no swelling at all. They don't usually hurt while I ski, but they swell up on the outside after I ski lots of groomers and/or bumps on my bigger skis (mostly the S7s).

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Thanks for the nice review.

 

Can you comment on how these compare with the Fischer Cold Heat from a couple of years ago, which I seem to remember you reviewed favorable? It sounds like the Motives have a lighter, quicker feel.

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I am a 61 year old type 7-8 skier who at 5'9" & 200 LB opted for the 175 cm length in the Fisher Motive 80's, which have been my every day ski at Sugarbush since Thanksgiving.  It has certainly been a varied season here in the East so far and the Motive's have been fabulous at transitioning from the hardpack to the moguls and other mixed wind blown snow terrain.  I must say that finding Fisher skis was certainly difficult, but that I have been rewarded for going out of my way to find them. 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the nice review.

 

Can you comment on how these compare with the Fischer Cold Heat from a couple of years ago, which I seem to remember you reviewed favorable? It sounds like the Motives have a lighter, quicker feel.



Yes, the Motive is much lighter, much less ski. I found the 176cm Cold Heat to be very stiff (I skied the 170cm, it was a fun ski) and the 175cm Motive is arguably easier than the 170cm Cold Heat was.  It is probably 2.5lbs lighter per ski, and is basically as stable, but more nimble, lighter on the snow, more forgiving in the tip, and an all-around better ski.  They managed to pull out the stiffness and relative heavy/unforgiving nature of the Cold Heat (it had a full race layup with lots of metal and stiffening fibers) while retaining every bit of the performance, making it even more nimble.  This is perhaps the sleeper ski of the year; in fact, Fischer's lineup is always well received but hard to find much info on.

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Looking for a ski similar to what this guy wants:

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/95912/all-mountain-on-piste-help-steep-groomers-and-bumps

 

Basically a west-coast hard snow ski.

 

I've currently got two skis for each terrain choice (zipper-line bumps and high speed groomers/crud), but I'm kind of wishing for one ski, since I like to mix it up between bumps and groomers on any given hard snow day. I'm willing to give up the crud aspect, since I don't really ski a mix of crud and zipper-line bumps on any given day. If I'm blasting chop/crud, the runs usually aren't bumped up enough for real zipperlining yet, and I'll be on my fat crud-busting skis, GS-airing over the widely-spaced bump fields (fun stuff!).

 

The Fischer Motive 84 sounds good like a good compromise between high speed rough groomer stability and zipper-line bump capability, but I don't really want/need the extra width. It sounds like I'd need the extra top-speed of the 84 for cranking out 40mph+ GS groomer turns. Too bad they dumbed down the Motive 80 - WHY!? Don't they have the Watea 78 for that sort of ski? Do you know if the Motive 74 is also dumbed down?

 

Anything else I should look at?  Don't say Kastle MX78/MX70 - can't afford it. biggrin.gif

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Hmmm.

 

I own 2 pairs of skis: 2009 Fischer rx8 fti @ 175 and 2011 Fischer Motive 84 @ 182.

 

The Motive 84 is a good off piste ski in the powder (spent a week in Tignes and Val d'Isere off piste grand ski), and is a fairly good ski on the groomers, and in the bumps, icy or not. They sure helped to improve my technique as they require a lot more angulation compared to what you can get away with on my hoogligan skis (the Fires).

 

Fall line sking on icy groomers isn't that pleasant though, as they develop a serious underfoot chatter when loaded seriously doing dynamic short turns.

 

On the groomer/bumps/ice it was a relief to put on the Fires and hop and skip and generally fool around and carve and lean into the mountain and explore the magnificient pop of the tails - another serious difference between the Motive 84 and the Fires.

 

So if you're looking for a groomer/bump/ice ski - go Fire - Progressor 9 or 10 now, as far as I can tell.

 

 

My 2 cents,


Chris.

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I would say that the ice you guys get out there is quite a bit harder than the 'ice' out here. I suppose I mean serious hardpack with some 'ice' mixed in, here and there, rather than true ice. From what I've read, the Progressors are a bit too stiff/unforgiving in bumps? I do plan on demoing something in this category when the conditions call for it, but I can't imagine they'd be fun in the bumps too. I'd say something like 60% steep hardpack groomers, 40% zipper-line bump performance is what I'm looking for. I suppose ideally around the 70-75mm size.

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Thanks for the nice review.

 

Can you comment on how these compare with the Fischer Cold Heat from a couple of years ago, which I seem to remember you reviewed favorable? It sounds like the Motives have a lighter, quicker feel.



Yes, the Motive is much lighter, much less ski. I found the 176cm Cold Heat to be very stiff (I skied the 170cm, it was a fun ski) and the 175cm Motive is arguably easier than the 170cm Cold Heat was.  It is probably 2.5lbs lighter per ski, and is basically as stable, but more nimble, lighter on the snow, more forgiving in the tip, and an all-around better ski.  They managed to pull out the stiffness and relative heavy/unforgiving nature of the Cold Heat (it had a full race layup with lots of metal and stiffening fibers) while retaining every bit of the performance, making it even more nimble.  This is perhaps the sleeper ski of the year; in fact, Fischer's lineup is always well received but hard to find much info on.


Thanks dawgcatching,

 

Great review!

 

I luv my Cold Heats -176 - and have found them to be the 'ring to rule them all'. But this past 3 ski day wkend at mammoth, I would like a pair similar, but a little easier for harder surface, tighter bumps. Off-groomers areas like Heuvos Grandes & Daves were 'glacial' hard, so not much fun after 1 run. Other faces like Climax were skieable, but heavily bumped, which meant I'd have to charge them hard to get the Cold Heats thru without getting bucked off. Those were 3 hard days for an olde pharte...

Spending a lot of time on flatish groomers is just not my idea of a ski day...

A more mogul oriented ski for these conditions would be a great option. I was gonna check out the Nordicas in that range, since I've heard some have good energy and run the bumps a little easier.

On your review, I'll try to get onto a pair of Motiv 84s as a backup ski for the more bump line days...

Cold Heats will still rule, but something additional and easier might be good for those days when I start wimperin at 11:30...

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I would say that the ice you guys get out there is quite a bit harder than the 'ice' out here. I suppose I mean serious hardpack with some 'ice' mixed in, here and there, rather than true ice. From what I've read, the Progressors are a bit too stiff/unforgiving in bumps? I do plan on demoing something in this category when the conditions call for it, but I can't imagine they'd be fun in the bumps too. I'd say something like 60% steep hardpack groomers, 40% zipper-line bump performance is what I'm looking for. I suppose ideally around the 70-75mm size.



The 8+ and 10+ are quite forgiving: it is the 9+ that is the dual titanium, full laminate layup that can be quite a handful in bumps (adequate at best).  The 8+ is a great bump ski, and the 10+ is basically a narrower version of the Motive 84, and it shares the same characteristics and superb off-piste performance, just in a narrower width.  It is perhaps the best "off-piste capable" carver I have yet skied; it isn't quite as racy or powerful as the 9+ on the groomers (more light and lively there) but a better ski if you want a narrower all-mountain ride and carver with grip. 

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Thanks for the nice review.

 

Can you comment on how these compare with the Fischer Cold Heat from a couple of years ago, which I seem to remember you reviewed favorable? It sounds like the Motives have a lighter, quicker feel.



Yes, the Motive is much lighter, much less ski. I found the 176cm Cold Heat to be very stiff (I skied the 170cm, it was a fun ski) and the 175cm Motive is arguably easier than the 170cm Cold Heat was.  It is probably 2.5lbs lighter per ski, and is basically as stable, but more nimble, lighter on the snow, more forgiving in the tip, and an all-around better ski.  They managed to pull out the stiffness and relative heavy/unforgiving nature of the Cold Heat (it had a full race layup with lots of metal and stiffening fibers) while retaining every bit of the performance, making it even more nimble.  This is perhaps the sleeper ski of the year; in fact, Fischer's lineup is always well received but hard to find much info on.


Thanks dawgcatching,

 

Great review!

 

I luv my Cold Heats -176 - and have found them to be the 'ring to rule them all'. But this past 3 ski day wkend at mammoth, I would like a pair similar, but a little easier for harder surface, tighter bumps. Off-groomers areas like Heuvos Grandes & Daves were 'glacial' hard, so not much fun after 1 run. Other faces like Climax were skieable, but heavily bumped, which meant I'd have to charge them hard to get the Cold Heats thru without getting bucked off. Those were 3 hard days for an olde pharte...

Spending a lot of time on flatish groomers is just not my idea of a ski day...

A more mogul oriented ski for these conditions would be a great option. I was gonna check out the Nordicas in that range, since I've heard some have good energy and run the bumps a little easier.

On your review, I'll try to get onto a pair of Motiv 84s as a backup ski for the more bump line days...

Cold Heats will still rule, but something additional and easier might be good for those days when I start wimperin at 11:30...


Good call; the Motive 84 is just that ski. BTW, I owned the Cold Heat in 170cm: it skis long compared to the Motive 84.  You may want to look at a 182cm Motive if you are comparing it in stability to the 176cm cold heat.  If you wanted a more nimble ski than the Cold Heat, then 175cm Motive 84 would likely be a better choice.

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Hi Dawgcatching,

 

Based on your review I just bought a pair of Motive 84 on eBay. One question, do you need a jig to drill the plates for binding installation on these?

 

Thanks,

 

Guy

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These come with a Fischer plate that are pre-drilled for the bindings that come with that ski.  Just mount the toes and heels in the holes labeled with the proper boot sole length, just as easy as that.  You do have to fine tune the forward pressure at the rear of the heel piece.

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Great! Thanks!

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Got to ski 2 days in Whistler Blackcomb on the Motive 84 in 168 lenght. I find the review to be spot on. I'd like to add that I played with the flex adjustment and saw a significant difference in performance. In full stiff on hard groomers the edge hold was like a race ski and it was difficult to slide the tail. Full soft was perfect for soft snow (was there at the opening of Harmony chair smile.gif) and bumps. Very light and easy to manoeuver. Middle position was great for everything.

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Has anyone (Guyf maybe?) tried both the Motive 84 and the 2012 Motive 80 C-line? It seems like the C-line version of the Motive 80 would be much closer in character to the Motive 84 (as compared with last year's or the powerrail version).. am curious how noticeable an advantage the 80 C-line might have over the 84 C-line on hard snow, vs how noticeable an advantage the 84 C-line might have in crud/powder etc.

 

Looking at the 175 for these (me: 6'2", 158 lbs, maybe more like 160-165 if I can get my workout on more consistently, level 7 or 8); had planned on the 84 until I read about the C-line version of the 80, now am a bit torn. Was thinking that the 84 would be better as an all rounder, but I'm light enough that the 80 might be about as good for modest amounts of powder/crud (does have that little bit of rocker also vs the 84), and if it's really noticeably better on-piste, maybe the 80 would be an even better fit (had also been a bit concerned that the 84 in length 175 might be a bit much for me, probably not so much an issue for the 80). TIA.

 

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Hi, I only skied the 84. I do not think the 80 would give you much of an advantage on hard snow. This ski carves like a GS on hard snow. Only on ice do you realize it's an 84.

 

 

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Hello, I own the 2012 Motive 80 C-Line 175, coming from the Cold Heat 170, the Motive 80 skis so much better all around, lighter, lively, good in bumps, excellent on ice, Cold Heat ski well on hard pack, anything else you have to work them hard, however I really want to ski the Motive 84 C-Line, just to see if the extra width would benefit me in the crud and powder, I'm 5'11, 210, but I'm happy with the Motive 80.

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Has anyone skied the Motive 88? Wondering how much front-side performance it gives up with the extra width and early rise tip versus the 84

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Has anyone skied the Motive 88? Wondering how much front-side performance it gives up with the extra width and early rise tip versus the 84



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Not much given up, really.  The early rise isn't too noticeable unless you are skiing bumps or soft snow.  Width isn't an issue for Western skiing; it still rails any non-ice groomer. I really like it; great blend of quickness, moderate flex, tip that gets out of the way, and a nice powerful tail.  That Motive just hits a sweet spot for do-everything skis, similar to the Rossi E88 and Kastle MX88. 

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Has anyone (Guyf maybe?) tried both the Motive 84 and the 2012 Motive 80 C-line? It seems like the C-line version of the Motive 80 would be much closer in character to the Motive 84 (as compared with last year's or the powerrail version).. am curious how noticeable an advantage the 80 C-line might have over the 84 C-line on hard snow, vs how noticeable an advantage the 84 C-line might have in crud/powder etc.

 

Looking at the 175 for these (me: 6'2", 158 lbs, maybe more like 160-165 if I can get my workout on more consistently, level 7 or 8); had planned on the 84 until I read about the C-line version of the 80, now am a bit torn. Was thinking that the 84 would be better as an all rounder, but I'm light enough that the 80 might be about as good for modest amounts of powder/crud (does have that little bit of rocker also vs the 84), and if it's really noticeably better on-piste, maybe the 80 would be an even better fit (had also been a bit concerned that the 84 in length 175 might be a bit much for me, probably not so much an issue for the 80). TIA.

 

 

 

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Hello, I own the 2012 Motive 80 C-Line 175, coming from the Cold Heat 170, the Motive 80 skis so much better all around, lighter, lively, good in bumps, excellent on ice, Cold Heat ski well on hard pack, anything else you have to work them hard, however I really want to ski the Motive 84 C-Line, just to see if the extra width would benefit me in the crud and powder, I'm 5'11, 210, but I'm happy with the Motive 80.

 

I ended up getting the Motive 84 C-Line 175s (found a very good deal) and in short, ended up fulfilling a lot of my expectations. Really liked it in the steep bumpy stuff, and the extra length (coming from 164 Metron M9s) was a revelation for me with my high center of gravity, felt much more stable. Was a bit harder to get/keep on edge that my Metrons, but of course I was expecting that.

 

The unfortunate part of my prediction also came true, though, which was that at my slight 160 pounds & ski level/modest ambitions, it was a bit much ski for me. On the first day of two days at Banff (had taken it for a short local ride only once before that), was really getting into them, enjoying it a lot.. but just a bit into the second day, thighs were burning, and my buddy pointed out that I looked to have my weight very far forward. Sure enough, I discovered that I was bending over too much to keep the speed down, and correcting my position made that very clear. No doubt I would improve on them, but I'm not sure yet how much work that might take.

 

Anyway, I liked them enough though that I decided to shell out for the 80 C-Line instead (could go with the non C-Line, but concerned that would compromise the edge grip?); not a whole lot less surface area, but that plus a bit less running length due to the added tip rocker, am thinking it should still ski very similarly to the 84, but tone it down just a bit (or take the edge off, I was going to say, but that sounds wrong in context :P). Think finding the right combination is a bit subtle for us tall & thin folks -- I love the extra length now that I've tried it, but now think it makes sense to utilize some of that extra length for that extra bit of all-mountain float I wanted, and a bit less extra width.

 

daybreak, you ever try out those 84s? Maybe we could make an exchange. :)

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Oops, just saw your other post, daybreak, about already picking up a pair of 84s during the offseason. I'll probably post my 84s in the gear swap.

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Excellent Review. I went with your recommendations and purchased a the Motive 84s for a  very good price. I think the review was spot on. Here is my two cents.

 

5 ft 10 and 178 lbs

 

 

Groomers

This ski is very  energetic with a terrific 'can do' attitude. I enjoy this ski so much that I've sold my Volkl 11ft Tigersharks. The TigerSharks are an excellent performers but the Motive's do a very good job on the groomers and improve in performance as  the day progresses and the conditions loosen/chop up. 

 

 

Soft Snow Conditions

I was  surprised at  how the ski comes alive in the softer snow. I was able to rip this ski slalom like on soft groomed snow which had about an inch or two of loose new snow on top. Very fun indeed!  I skied a  few blacks at fairly high speeds where the snow condition was about 4 inches of firmly packed and drifted new snow and  the ski really showed it's  sweet spot.

 

 

Bumps

I am not a great bump skiier but the motive inspires confidence and was a pleasure compared to my  ultra stiff tigersharks. I was able to navigate the  bumps, hop turn, skid the tails, brush/paste and zoom over transition from bumps to crud to groomer sections without difficulty.Feel that this ski inspires confidence in these conditions and that I could get myself out of trouble if the need arose.

 

Heavy Wet Snow

I live on the Canadian East coast{close to SugarLoaf Maine} and we can get some of the heavy wet stuff. The ski did pretty good in these conditions. Took me  some time to figure out how to ski the motive in these types of conditions  but once sorted I managed quite well{this ski is quite light} . In my opinion this is the most difficult type of snow to ski

 

Powder

I had trouble running the ski in powder deeper than 8 inches at slower speeds as 'tip management' was difficult. As my speed  increased the skis was able to float much better. I took a spectacular spill  on a narrow ' corridor '  type of run when I  hit a drift of snow at the bottom of a steep pitch section. My tips submarined ,hit bottom and I was 'shot out of the canon'!   I purchased the 168cm ski  as I chose agility over float/added gs stability that a longer ski offers. We rarely get deep powder days and I did not purchase this ski for that particular application.What we do get is groomed  new snow with about 2 to 6 inches of fresh snow sitting on top...which is where this ski really shines. i am guessing the longer versions of this ski would improve powder performance.  These skis did better in powder than the AC50s I skied last year. 

 

Fun / Learning Factor

Tons of fun in this ski. At times ski had the energy of my  SL racetigers ! Changing turn  shapes was simple and encouraged . Ski flex under load was predictable and very driver friendly. I had a few high speed gs type turns where my weight was too far back and I was not 'bucked off' and was able to easily recover. This ski actually has encouraged me to go off piste more.

 

Dislikes:

The top sheet of the ski seems a bit 'tender' compared to other skis I've owned. Already some chunks are missing. I will most likely need to do some repairs. Already I've lost a simple cosmetic 'cap' at the  very front tip  of the binding assembly which is a bit of a drag.The ski feels squirrelly on fresh corduroy {when skied fast} and I  had to be careful not to hookup. 

 

 

Ice

Ski did good on the ice. I am used to my tigershark's ultra ice grip so I had a good reference point.  

 

 

 

 

Conclusion:

I highly recommend this ski.  An excellent 1 quiver east coast ski whose only real limitation is the powder. This ski is perfect for the advanced groomer skier with intermediate all mountain skills. This ski is a 'hidden treasure' and every time I ski it I feel inspired.

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Hi dminus,

 

Your recent review (and Dawgcatching's of course) me considering the Motive 84s as my everyday EC ski.  I was wondering what length you bought, as I'm the same height, but a little lighter.  I've found a good deal on the Motive 84s but having not demo'd them, I'm not sure.

 

I'd be very interested in hearing from anyone on how the Motive 84s compare to some skis I recently demo'd (Blizzard Bushwackers, Rossi E83, Rossi E88).

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