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post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

I am 39 yo male.  Started skiing when I was 10.  Started racing when I was 13 in the USSA program in Michigan.  Also raced high school during the week.  Basically was on skis every day snow was on the ground.  But I was the top racer on my team and qualified elite status in CUSSA.  In college, I skied some but not much.  Even less after that.  Now I am 39 with two kids and my 5 year old is starting skiing this year (after one day skiing last year).

 

I am going to start skiing with her at first but will probably have to enter her is some ski schooling.  Doubt she will listen to me as well as a stranger.

 

But, I am interested in skiing.  Last time I was on skis was in 1999 when I was in Sweden.  Before that it was 1996 at Mt. Aleyeska AK.  I was surprised both times because my last racing ski was 200 cm.  And I was renting a decent 180ish ski and they were easy.

 

But now, it has been 11 years and 20-30 pounds of weight.  I feel like I will have an advancish expertish brain trying to move a beginners legs.

 

I will now be skiing entierly Midwest slopes, groomed trails with some typical midwest ice resulting from our up and down temps.  On occasion, I wouldn't doubt I attempt some bumps and steeps (as steep as it gets in Michigan).  Perhaps some air too.  But I am sure much of my time I will have my daughter between me or in front of me as I go backwards.

 

I have tried on some boots recently: nordica (not very comfortable), dalbello (felt poorly designed and un-uniformed) and some salomon (very comfy but soft).

 

I am hoping to get some gear tomorrow and here is what I am considering.  I am on a budget.  Was hoping to keep it under $500 but am now considering this:

 

Salomon MIssion 6 boots - 199.99

Rossi Avenger 72 skis 162 cm - 449.99 with bindings

 

I dont really care about bindings as long as they stay on; I used to just crank em down so I wouldnt step out of them.  And poles mean nothing too me either because I used to go thru them like candy when I raced and never saw any difference in performance.

 

I would appreciate some of your thoughts on this package.  Experience in the midwest would be beneficial.  This isn't Colorado or Utah; unfortunately.

 

Based on this package my budget is 650 if you can recommend something else.

 

My concerns are the boots are too soft and the skis too short.  But I am 39 and probably not close to the skier I was.  But I plan on getting out 10+ times this year and may get my legs back bit.

 

I would hate to think I sold myself short and should have got a more aggresive ski and boot.

 

Thanks in advance.

post #2 of 14

Not an expert in any of the areas you mention, but if you  were a good skier it will come back quickly so get decent gear - boots especially.

 

Also, good idea re. getting instruction for your 5-year old.  When my son was that age I did the same and kept our slope time together fun ,making sure he got a lot of mileage in.  Most of his learning from me was by the tried and true method of following in my tracks.

post #3 of 14

 


When I came back to skiing after 18years off I bought some 90 flex boots (comfy) but decided after a season I needed way more support and went with some Tecnica Diablos in a 110 flex. Used those a few years and decided I wanted the 120 flex Tecnica Dragons. I have been very happy with Tecnica boots as they fit my feet with 0 adjusting needed except my footbeds. So IMO, buy nice boots to start with.
In the beginning I bought used skis off eBay. In particular, I liked Volkls. I upgraded the skis each season, buying a nicer pair and selling the older pair, really worked out pretty well. By the third season back I started buying new skis and a few pair a year at that. By the forth season back I was buying 3-4 pairs a season, but usually preseason sales or lightly used ones from the previous season, so ya, I was spending some money, but it was well worth it. On season seven and have a five ski quiver now. I hope you have the same fun with it I have. Good luck with your research and enjoy.
post #4 of 14

First of all welcome to EpicSki!

 

How tall and heavy are you now?  That will strongly influence what people will recommend to you.

 

I'm guessing the boots you asked about are too soft and the skis are too short.  You will quickly pick back up with skiing with "newer" style equipment and your old skills will return rapidly.  I was in a similar situation as you 10+ years ago coming back to skiing after not having skied in 15 years.  Moved from old straight skis to modern shaped skis without much of an issue.

 

Don't rush out and buy equipment tomorrow just because you feel like you "have to have skis today".  First thing to do is go to a reputable shop and get fitted for some good boots.  Then you can go and demo some skis and see what you like before you buy.

 

Mike

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

I am much bigger than when I raced.  I am not 5'11 and 220.  I agree that I think I need a stiffer boot and longer skis.

 

but i do not want to spend at ton of $.  Also dont want to be short sighted.

 

Suggestions in the 600-700 range?

post #6 of 14

That equipment is all beginner junk.  Good boot's first, even if you have to get used to save money.   What size? 

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Is it really that low end?  I tried some the salomon gt and thought they actually felt much stiffer and nice.  Actually seemed close to what I used to be on as far as feel.  I used to race cabers mostly

 

I can't tell anything with the avenger 72.  I know this is middle of the road.  But reviews seem to be good for this board.

 

28.5 is my salomon size.

 

Do you have suggestions for a package under $600 that will keep up with me as I get my legs back..

 

I have rented 3x in the last 15 yrs.  Once on alyeyeska and those were some kind of fat 180 cm stainless steel if i remember correctly back in '97.  Actually thought the skis were great considering that the hill is pretty steep and fast.  Next time was around 2000 in sweden and I was not impressed. Forgot the brand.  Last year I rented pure junk at my local hill cannonsburg in Grand Rapids MI.  I could definetely tell the skis were not keeping up with me but they were real rental junk.

 

I have always liked about any rossi I have tried in the past.  Never cared for K2, Elan or Salomon skis either.  Atomics were so so.  I have liked vokls too. 

 

I am thinking of gearing up with this similar package.  Rossi avenger 72 at 170 and salomon gt boots.  getting them both for under 500.

 

This way if I am not spending too much I can justify upgrading next year after I see how this stuff feels.  Keep in mind the equipment is going to much better for me even with lower end stuff because I used to ski straight long skis

post #8 of 14

you will need to shop internet or sales to keep within your budget. tramdock.com has 700. boots for around 250. you can take them to a shop and pay to have them fit professionally if you can get the shell size correct. I have seen Rossignol Phantom 87's for around 300. you're there. it's a lot more work to keep a budget, but it can be done. 

post #9 of 14

What size are your street shoes?  You say 28.5 so they should be 11.5 or 12 for that large of a boot, otherwise your boots have been too big.  I'm a 9.5 street shoe and wear a 26 ski boot.

 

I've had good luck with good prices on boots from levelninesports.com, but you need to have a good idea what you are looking for.

 

Evo.com or o2gear.com for skis.  Maybe a decent pair of used skis from evo would fit the bill since you are just getting back into skiing.  Their ski condition ratings have always been accurate for me so you get what you think you are getting.  Have you looked in the for sale section here on Epic?  I've purchased 3-4 pairs from other members and have always been pleased with quality and price.

 

Mike
 

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Originally Posted by msukc View Post

Is it really that low end?  I tried some the salomon gt and thought they actually felt much stiffer and nice.  Actually seemed close to what I used to be on as far as feel.  I used to race cabers mostly

 

I can't tell anything with the avenger 72.  I know this is middle of the road.  But reviews seem to be good for this board.

 

28.5 is my salomon size.

 

Do you have suggestions for a package under $600 that will keep up with me as I get my legs back..

 

I have rented 3x in the last 15 yrs.  Once on alyeyeska and those were some kind of fat 180 cm stainless steel if i remember correctly back in '97.  Actually thought the skis were great considering that the hill is pretty steep and fast.  Next time was around 2000 in sweden and I was not impressed. Forgot the brand.  Last year I rented pure junk at my local hill cannonsburg in Grand Rapids MI.  I could definetely tell the skis were not keeping up with me but they were real rental junk.

 

I have always liked about any rossi I have tried in the past.  Never cared for K2, Elan or Salomon skis either.  Atomics were so so.  I have liked vokls too. 

 

I am thinking of gearing up with this similar package.  Rossi avenger 72 at 170 and salomon gt boots.  getting them both for under 500.

 

This way if I am not spending too much I can justify upgrading next year after I see how this stuff feels.  Keep in mind the equipment is going to much better for me even with lower end stuff because I used to ski straight long skis

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info Mike.  I will check those sites out.  I am a 11 size street shoe.  Even larger in some brands like nike.  For some reason later in life my foot seemed to jump a size and get wider. I have found that Nordicas seem narrower.  That is why I like the feel of the salomons. 

 

And I like a little more wiggle room than perhaps some people do.  I think it keeps my feet warmer and if I ever feel like the boot is loose, another sock will help.  If a boot feels tight there isn't much you can do.

 

I googled ski forum and found this site but wasn't sure if this is the best place for ski discussion.  So far, I have found great responses and good info browsing other topics.  My interest in skiing has never been higher in the last twenty years.

 

It seems being on a ski hill from november thru mid march everyday during my formidable years just killed the fun.  Although I enjoyed it.  Casual skiing never interested me.  I only liked running gates.  Fortunately, with young kids just getting the bug it is nice to go thru this experience again.  Its also nice knowing it will take a few years till they can catch up to dad; hopefully.

 

Looking forward to my "first" season skiing.

post #11 of 14

To leave more $$ for the boots and any boot fitting you might want to check this place out...

 

  http://stores.ebay.com/Denver-Wholesale-Skis

post #12 of 14

Glad to help.  Please, please, please don't get boots that are too big!  Never ever add another pair of socks to take up the extra room in the boot.  Go to a reputable bootfitter and get your boots fitted right.  Even if you buy them online, pay the extra money to have them fitted.  Check out the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum here and see how to shell fit a ski boot so that you get the right size.  Boots that are too large, with extra "wiggle room"  will not help your skiing at all.

 

Mike 
 

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Originally Posted by msukc View Post

Thanks for the info Mike.  I will check those sites out.  I am a 11 size street shoe.  Even larger in some brands like nike.  For some reason later in life my foot seemed to jump a size and get wider. I have found that Nordicas seem narrower.  That is why I like the feel of the salomons. 

 

And I like a little more wiggle room than perhaps some people do.  I think it keeps my feet warmer and if I ever feel like the boot is loose, another sock will help.  If a boot feels tight there isn't much you can do.

 

I googled ski forum and found this site but wasn't sure if this is the best place for ski discussion.  So far, I have found great responses and good info browsing other topics.  My interest in skiing has never been higher in the last twenty years.

 

It seems being on a ski hill from november thru mid march everyday during my formidable years just killed the fun.  Although I enjoyed it.  Casual skiing never interested me.  I only liked running gates.  Fortunately, with young kids just getting the bug it is nice to go thru this experience again.  Its also nice knowing it will take a few years till they can catch up to dad; hopefully.

 

Looking forward to my "first" season skiing.

post #13 of 14

You are an experienced skier so you know what works for you in a boot.  The only advice I would stress is don't get anything you think you won't like in a season or so.  My son has a softer Solomon boot  (90 flex) that I've tried and like a lot.  I ski a pair of old Lange race boots that are stiff as 2x4s.  His shoe size and mine are simiar to yours.  I wear a 10 & 1/2 for most shoes and an 11 in narrower brands like Nike.  The Solomons are a 27.5 shell and have a very comfy fit with toe wiggle room.  On sale they cost about $330.

 

I agree with the poster above who said to check evogear.com for skis.  I've bought used demo skis from them in the past and have been very happy with price and quality.  I'm afraid if you buy a package for $600 you will be buying another one next year for $1,000.  But whatever gets you back on the slopes and intros your kids to the sport is, as they say, all good.

 

Good luck and have fun.

post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post

To leave more $$ for the boots and any boot fitting you might want to check this place out...

 

  http://stores.ebay.com/Denver-Wholesale-Skis


Older Stocklis may be the way to go, leaving more $$ for boots. And I'd find a local bootfitter and work with them on getting the right boot.

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