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post #181 of 207

 

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JA,

 

I stand corrected! But with all due respect that is just petty as hell since where this took place matters not and is not germaine to the discussion.

 

At least I was in the right state!  Sue me!rolleyes.gif

 

Petty, sure, I actually won't argue that.  But I think my point is still valid.  You insulted two people in this thread telling them they couldn't read, and yet you didn't even bother to pay attention to the details of the original incident.

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post #182 of 207

funny how the facts get tunred around. peolple tell me I blamed the victims of this horrible accident and I am an asshole for pointing out to them that that is not what I said.

 

But they keep,repeating that I was blaming the victims and I point out that is not what I said!

 

Just another typical BSmeter.gif Epic pissing match.

 

By the way AK71 for President!

 

And no I didn't remember exactly where it was in Wyoming after 6 pages or 7 pages. Now that's a crime too!? So freaking wjhat. You are even more petty then I thought!

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By the way AK71 for President!

 

 

??? Sorry, didn't get it... Is it because I was born abroad?
post #184 of 207

I knew that, but my nomination stands!biggrin.gif

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Uh, no. Boarders have had a stereotypical fashion choice of baggy clothing for quite some time now. Boarder Cross is a speed competition for boarders only. (Skier cross is the equivalent  event for skiers.) Wearing baggy clothes is slightly slower than wearing speed suits. There is no secret code. There is no suggestion in the comment about disliking skiers.



what I meant is that it suggests a collective consciousness, a we vs them group identity. that's scary.

 

some here said they more often see skiers going out of control; must be a regional thing, demographics and such.

 

Boarder story. Guy is trying to miss a skier he is passing on the mountain run. Can't get the edge to hold and slides onto his back, still carrying all his speed. He doesn't want to dig an edge and injure himself, so he, like many boarders careening out of control sliding down the mountain on their a$$es, raises his board off the snow and into the air about 24 to 36".  Now he is sliding down the slope on his back with his board up in the air, head height for a little kid, stomach ht for an average skier, his board like a heavy weighted sword flying down the hill at about 25mph, a deadly weapon up in front of him.  His board slices the skiers leg, opening it up completely, nearly causing death from bleeding out and necessitating a high speed evac to the hospital to get 30 stitches. I've seen the scar, and the story is all to familiar.

 

The board is an inferior tool (call this claim complete nonsense if you want) with respect to traveling the whole mountain, emergency maneuvers, overall safety of others, and safety of the rider (no release binding causes the above falling scenario).

 

The board is so specialized on snow that if you get in the wrong place (long flat meadow or similar) in deep snow you're about as able to extricate yourself as a turtle on its back.

 

Another meaningful fact: a boarder chosen by some board association as a representative of the boarder-X sport lives around here. He's is a drunk, obnoxious, violent, insulting, ill-mannered, dull witted, discourteous, ego maniacal, a very poor sportsman, cheat and bad loser, and general waste of blood and guts on this planet. Is nothing about that sport working? Is anyone paying attention from the inside. Elevate a guy like that to a position of role model??? no f-ing wonder it's a hoodlum subculture.

 

Craig Kelly was an awesome boarder and fantastic individual, as is Jeremy Jones. Unfortunately and tragically we lost Craig in an avalanche,  a terrible loss of a would-be leader of the sport. The great  guys of the sport now have to step up and lead. Work within your sport to change things if you don't like what you hear. Rant over.

post #186 of 207
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Originally Posted by davluri 

 

Another meaningful fact: a boarder chosen by some board association as a representative of the boarder-X sport lives around here. He's is a drunk, obnoxious, violent, insulting, ill-mannered, dull witted, discourteous, ego maniacal, a very poor sportsman, cheat and bad loser, and general waste of blood and guts on this planet. Is nothing about that sport working? Is anyone paying attention from the inside. Elevate a guy like that to a position of role model??? no f-ing wonder it's a hoodlum subculture.

 

Craig Kelly was an awesome boarder and fantastic individual, as is Jeremy Jones. Unfortunately and tragically we lost Craig in an avalanche,  a terrible loss of a would-be leader of the sport. The great  guys of the sport now have to step up and lead. Work within your sport to change things if you don't like what you hear. Rant over.

I'm pretty sure you are referring to Shawn Palmer ??? 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Palmer

 

Nice Guy? Definitely not... but he is the best action sport athlete in history- PERIOD. End of story.

 

 

These Anti- Snowboard rants are tedious, it's the same sport as skiing. Pay attention, the young 'punk kids' are all skiing these days. Snowboarding is maturing and becoming older, within 5 years you will be railing against rockered twin-tips... mark my words. This is just like guns... the problem isn't the equipment, it's the person using the equipment.
 


Edited by Whiteroom - 12/30/10 at 5:13pm
post #187 of 207

I have friends who board and friends who ski. I know some boarders who are unpleasant and some skiers who are unpleasant. To imply that boarders have a mob mentality and as a whole are dangerous and on inferior equipment is ridiculous. 

 

Not too long ago, boarders started taking lines that no skier was dreaming of taking. You can thank boarders for increasing the interest in snowsports and also thank them for a lot of equipment changes in skiing. 

 

 

Also, how many sports stars are really nice guys? You think Kobe is a better role model than Shaun Palmer?


Edited by seattle_sun - 12/30/10 at 5:57pm
post #188 of 207

No question you must judge the individual, but you must admit that boarders have limited periperal vision. This is just an inherent trait of boarding. You are standing on the board sideways and this limits yoour view. No question, this causes issues. I just stay clear of the blind side.

 

 

You also can't deny there is a particular gnarly dude attitude that seems more pervasive with boarders. Although i have noticed a profound switch either to skisor back to skis the last couple of years!

post #189 of 207
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No question you must judge the individual, but you must admit that boarders have limited periperal vision. This is just an inherent trait of boarding. You are standing on the board sideways and this limits yoour view. No question, this causes issues. I just stay clear of the blind side.

 

 

You also can't deny there is a particular gnarly dude attitude that seems more pervasive with boarders. Although i have noticed a profound switch either to skisor back to skis the last couple of years!


Every snowboarder I know has a neck, you can use the neck to turn the head, I'm betting you do it all the time while skiing. When you are turning left or right are you blind to what is downhill from you? No, you can keep your eyes downhill by turning your neck. Simple. Do boarders have a blindside when you overtake them? Absolutely. Guess what, skiers have TWO blindsides as you overtake them.

post #190 of 207

No agreement on that here.

 

I don't snowboard but I wakeboard, water ski and snow ski.

 

Whole different ballgame being sideways. It just ain't the same

 

Whiteroom, you lucked out!

 

i am tired of EPIC pissing matches, I'm gone....................................


Edited by Atomicman - 12/30/10 at 7:14pm
post #191 of 207

I don't think so Winter. I think we're all really engaged in this issue because people tragically died and we're all wondering how we can prevent this from happening to us. So of course we want to find an explanation and someone to blame. I was hit twice last year, both times in Colorado, once by a female skier and once by a male boarder, both times I was stopped at the side of a trail. The skier was with an instructor at Vail. He obviously had her over her head. The boarder was at Breck and I was standing on the edge of a trail intersection where there was a big "SLOW!" sign, which is why I stopped. Bad move on my part. No, I was not in the middle of the trail, I was on the edge.

 

What do all of these incidents have in common? The age of the offender. Young people are reckless, on skis or boards, and if you see them coming you should get the hell out of the way. I'm just going on statistics here, I'm a criminologist, you look at the stats, accidents happen most often to young people (especially males) and we can all remember stupid crap we did when we were 18. So I'm not talking about your son or daughter who is very responsible and blah blah so don't flame me.

 

If someone opens a "seniors only" ski resort I'm going to fake my age so I can get in.

 

I can't even imagine how the families of the two people who died feel. Horrible.

post #192 of 207
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I've never seen you post anything that wasn't part of a pissing match.
 

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i am tired of EPIC pissing matches, I'm gone....................................



Good riddance. 



 Could any one of us get that absolutely lucky ?    Why that would be like hitting the freaking Lotto.                                           Nah! I don't think so.

post #193 of 207
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Originally Posted by davluri 

 

Another meaningful fact: a boarder chosen by some board association as a representative of the boarder-X sport lives around here. He's is a drunk, obnoxious, violent, insulting, ill-mannered, dull witted, discourteous, ego maniacal, a very poor sportsman, cheat and bad loser, and general waste of blood and guts on this planet. Is nothing about that sport working? Is anyone paying attention from the inside. Elevate a guy like that to a position of role model??? no f-ing wonder it's a hoodlum subculture.

 
 


  Now those are just his positive traits. But as long as his Mother is his BEST friend is all that matters. And don't forget her unconditional love no matter what he does or who he kills...... After all it is all about how a child feeeeeels about himself not what or who he destroys.
 

post #194 of 207

I like Atomicman... I don't always agree with him and he sure can be gruff, but seems to me he just doesn't suffer fools gladly.

post #195 of 207

Now you new damn well I would get insttant notification on your post.

 

So here goes.

 

If you don't like my posts, don't read them. No mandatory assignments here at Epic! I paid the same amount as you did to support the Forum (or maybe more?) Last time I looked around I thought I lived in a free counbtry where freedom of speech and public discourse is encouraged. Wouldn't it be boring if we all thought like Telerod.

 

I am entitled to my opinion and also have the right to stand up for what I have said when & if misquoted, misconstrued or disagreed with!.. Afterall isn't that what a forum is for. Voicing differing opinions. It would be pretty lame if it was a big agreement,  love fest all the time wouldn't it!

 

Most of of posts in this thread were not personal until someone else personalized and attacked me. Why would anyone get upset becuase I insulted fictional, unknown, anonymous skiers. And keep repeating that I was blaming the poor victims in this thread. I never said that and in fact sadi the opposite, but let's no confuse with facts when the minds made up!

 

 

I would think since I have not hit anyone in 47 years of skiing, I must be doing something right (and I do ski at a good clip most of the time as do all the folks I ski with) and have a bit of a valued opinion on what is acceptable on the hill and what is not!

 

I certainly wouldn't be hammering thoughtful, well intentioned,  rule following skiers would I?

 

 NO, I was commenting on the ignoramusues on the hill. I repeatedly said my comments were not in reference to the Casper incident and am honsetly saddened by such a horrible event.

 

 On the other hand you posted something that can only be construed as a personal attack, which you know is not tolerated on this forum. So I expect you may be hearing from the Epic PO.

 

My last comment is that you won't believe how many PM's I get from forum readers thanking me for tuning, ski and yes even technique advice and how many hapy folks have bought used gear from me I know it is hard for you to fathom since you're viewpoint is looking through belly button binoculars,  but it is true!

 

I have really cut back on the time I spend on Epic and often don't post at all when I can be helpful so as not to hassle with guys like you.

 

If you can't take the heat, you know the rest!  Now I really am gone.......................................skiing!

post #196 of 207

Every time I see a snowboarder I take my ski pole and hit him right across the face as hard as I can...even if it's a girl.  That's how I roll. Mind you, I don't suggest others take this approach...but as the Elite Supreme Chancellor of All Things Ski...I live a pretty much consequence free life. 

post #197 of 207

Am I really boring? I do write long posts. See you later, Atomicman, I guess...

 

Apologies to friends and families of the snowboarder who I twice called a murderer. I was speaking from emotion, not reason. I consider myself an advanced skier/snowboarder but I'm not consistent. I'm a little clumsy , what can I say. I hit a tree once hard enough to break my collarbone, that would be enough to kill a 5 year old I bet. I was close to 200lbs at the time. It's possible to catch an edge and straddle that which you are trying to go around, ask Bode.

 

I try not to ski close to small children or others and I compensate for my clumsiness by skiing slowly. My age and experience has taught me to look around corners (or over rollers) before charging in. Straight running a public slope is very stupid and I'm sure if that young man had survived he would suffer every day of his life with the knowledge of what he did.


Edited by telerod15 - 12/30/10 at 9:22pm
post #198 of 207
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Every time I see a snowboarder I take my ski pole and hit him right across the face as hard as I can...even if it's a girl.  That's how I roll. Mind you, I don't suggest others take this approach...but as the Elite Supreme Chancellor of All Things Ski...I live a pretty much consequence free life. 



 Now there is an idea that could only catch on like wildfire..... Hey thank you Elite Supreme Chancellor of ATS.....................Does it hurt your poles? ........................... 

 

"These snowboards aren't selling anymore....WTF......Wonder why?"

post #199 of 207

Telerod,

 

7160 posts and yu are not a supporter? Come on dude!  You need to pay a little bit for your entertainment!

 

You have 1000 posts more then me, which I find kinda frightening!eek.gif

post #200 of 207

We've enjoyed mixing it up in the past, but this is not the thread where we should do that. Please.

post #201 of 207

The thread has drifted way off into the wild blue yonder at this point.

post #202 of 207

I told you guys this was going to no good end.  Generalizations and making something as horrible as this personal are not a good mix.  The guilty and innocent have both paid with their lives, and somehow this discussion just piles on.  I would have hoped for more compassion, if not for the victims, then for each other.

post #203 of 207

I know on the day visibility was said to be good but I often wonder about the extra risk of wearing low contrast colors.

 

In my limited experience Ive skiied in some very poor visibility where the only skiiers I could see ahead of me were wearing bright colors. whilst others wearing white or neutrals just appeared out of the fog when I was virtually on top of them even though I had moderated my speed for the conditions. Some sort of led flashing warning lights like cyclists use may be an option.

 

In a similar vein I would never buy a dark gray "bitumen" colored car not can I understand anyone who would!

 

sympathies with all involved in this tragedy

post #204 of 207

I wear really low key colors (black with gray with white).. I have noticed, though, that I see black and Grey and white ski clothing much more slowly than I would notice red and orange and yellow. There is a discernible lack of recognition for that split second.

post #205 of 207

As an "older" skier, I thought it was pretty dumb when the neon craze gave way to the "tree-colored" phase.  People dressing in forest colors just helps them blend in with the trees better.  And WHITE!!!  What can they be thinking?  Since I ski at Whitefish, that sort of insanity is like those idiots who walk along the road at night in black.  Unfair to the person who HITS them, IMO.

post #206 of 207

I guess you mean all the moss green and brown out there.

 

hands to my temples I'm trying to visualize you dressed to shred. I'm guessing red or purple. ???   any pics?

 

If you are wearing a dark top with white pants, and you want to blend with rocks and snags and trees so people don't see you at a distance, it works well because only one half or the other of the figure shows against the background and is not immediately recognizable as a skier. Hopefully I won't be followed if I'm not seen from the chair or some major vantage point.

post #207 of 207

I coach 8-11 year olds in freestyle skiing. All capable black diamond skiers.  Tomorrow there will be a re-emphasis on safety, responsibilities and all around heads up skiing.  You have all probably read the 'who's at fault'  thread. No one was hurt but 'sorry' just does not cut it anymore. Tree tool ( a skier by the way) was probably  out doing the same thing today, no lesson learned.  One of these days, someone is going to hand out some rough justice.

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