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Tipping movements while in a tuck

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Check out this video of Quay. Ive never seen it before but it gives a unique indepth view of tipping movements used when skiing in a tuck. Notisse there is not a lot of counter going on. Or do you see things differently?

 

post #2 of 12

Well speak of the Devil, look what I just happen to have.  This is from this year's Beaver Creek World Cup SG.  A alternative view of Guay from the front.  

 

 

Guay,Web.jpg

 

Photo courtesy of the www.YourSkiCoach.com website

post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 

Speak of the Devil, counter..... but in the video there is counter also. My point is merely that there is very little of it. Surpricingly little in the video. Especially early on in the turn. I bet that the photo is taken quite late in the turn.

post #4 of 12
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Surpricingly little in the video.


Surprising why? Would you be surprised to find more of it in an SL video?

post #5 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Surpricingly little in the video.


Surprising why? Would you be surprised to find more of it in an SL video?



No

post #6 of 12
Golly, I see an appropriate amount of counter develop for each turn. Notice the skis turn left and right under the skier while the skier's upper body remains 'pointed' directionally down-slope. And that's plenty of Counter for the radius of turns he's making! Note also the tip-lead developing, indicating the legs have twisted in relation to body parts further up.


Hey Rick - are we going to have to look at garish advertisement LINKs and photos designed to lure people to your website in every future thread to ever come up on this forum?


.ma
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 

Appropriate?! Kind of soft statement IMO. I too see appropriate counter. Just not a whole lot of it. It interesting that you can spot tip lead from this angle of filming. I wonder how you do that. But anyway, tip lead is not a sign of counter. Unless you push your outside ski forward and scissor but these guys dont do that. Its only a sign of tipping. Short leg long leg.

post #8 of 12

It seems to me that the only way to really turn in an well balanced tuck is through tipping, long leg / short leg and appropriate counter (which happens quite naturally if the other two are there).  My experience is that many more people can tip in a tuck than while not in a tuck.  This is a great drill because you can really isolate a lot of the bad stuff from happening in the first place and then really experiment with a really long leg and a really short leg and lots of counter and little counter. Everyone feels a little safer in that close to the ground fetal position called a tuck. 

 

On the video:  I didn't see a whole lot of need for huge tipping angles and counter because the turns weren't that pronounced (I thought a saw a slarve or two as well).  It seemed more like he was setting up to get the air on film vs. filming his skiing. What I thought was the coolest is how each leg absorbed the terrain independently of one another like shocks. 

 

My .02


Edited by Crud Buster - 12/26/10 at 6:29pm
post #9 of 12
tdk6,

If the skier in the video has his body pointed straight downhill while his skis are turned across the hill (at the maximum amount of actual turning) then it seems to me he couldn't get any more "counter" into the picture unless he artificially rotates his upper-body some extra amount...

In other words, how could he possibly invoke any more counter than he's showing unless he creates it artificially and turns beyond facing straight downhill? As to seeing Tip Lead .... it shows up quite clearly in most of the footage.
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I too see appropriate counter. Just not a whole lot of it.
Just how much more "appropriateness" must you see to be happy? biggrin.gif

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post #10 of 12
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Check out this video of Quay.

 

That wasn't Erik Guay skiing in the video (wrong skis, boots & helmet sponsor). The skier was Robbie Dixon.

post #11 of 12

tdk, my image is captured about at the apex of the turn.  It was a turn following some good air time.  Here's another.

 

Cuche,Web.jpg

 

It was the turn following this jump.

 

Cuche,Landing.Web.jpg

 

Images courtesy of www.YourSkiCoach.com

post #12 of 12

A bit of knee angulation going on there isn't there.  But that is another topic.

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