Originally Posted by stroller
I would like to point out that in order to initiate turn by loading tips of the ski one has to get VERY far forward (far beyond centered stance) in the transition. In other words skier’s hips should be way in front of ball of the foot, so he can ski from forward to extremely forward stance.
If you are in the forward stance at the end of the turn and you have to move forward even more to create pressure on your tips and unweight your tails (note you using only half of your ski surface – skis will dive in soft conditions) before you can release edges to create tip-carve. This is a valid technique, but hard on skiers quads and effective for packed powder only.
Hmmmm. Not sure you're envisioning what I'm trying to communicate further above. To achieve an effective tip-carve I don't need any
tip lead nor do I need to be "severely forward" ahead of time. Below I've attempted a more clearly worded execution.
Coming out of the last turn I'm in transition at a point where my skis are nearly "flat" to the general surface (or surface underneath a covering of soft snow). My ski tips have solid support since the entire base of each tip/forebody is supported by the snow. At this moment I actively dorsiflex both feet while simultaneously pulling each foot 'back' using my knee joint. This briefly 'stalls' both skis while my upper body continues forward.
This brief move creates an overall forward rotation
(of the whole skier) and because I quickly run out of dorsiflexion range, my ski tips bear the brunt of it and are 'levered' down into the snow (arresting my overall forward rotation). In this moment I'm also just engaging the new edges which then "take over" the pressuring assignment - which is good since my forward rotation has been halted by then.
In short, my momentary spurt of tip-pressure comes from a brief forward rotational momentum
and not from deliberately moving (and holding) body Mass over the tips of the skis. Does that make more sense? It's basically a cheap "momentum trick" used to my advantage.
(And I agree, this idea would result in a face-plant in very deep powder! It works well on a firm surface, over a firm layer under soft snow and even in very dense wet snow if done with care.)
Originally Posted by Stroller
I have to blame my educational background but for me "first movement related to the new turn" is initiation
That is exactly how some people view it. But consider this, my own "first movement" related to the new turn comes at Apex where I begin to release my degree of inclination
. This effort is done quite early inside the old turn. Also, I begin moving my new inside-hand/arm forward reaching for the next pole plant/touch while I'm also well inside the old turn. These (and other) movements are my own first movements related to the new turn, yet they occur well before my skis or CM get anywhere near changing direction.