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Expert Tricksters : I Need Help with 360's : Keep landing sideways

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Hi 360 killers ...

 

Long time skier here, very advanced skier, but Ive never been able to hit a 360 on a regular basis. Im hitting my 360 only about 20% of the time.

 

Just about every time I crash, I'm too far sideways. I like to turn left off of my jump, the next thing I know I'm crashing, leaning way too far to the right, landing at about 350 degrees. At the end of the day yesterday, I had bruised up the side of my right hip because I kept landing in the same spot over and over.

 

Here is a video that is a more dramatic crash of what I seem to be doing. My crashes are similar to his, Im just leaning maybe 50% more toward the upright position, but Im still often coming down on my right hip first or a quick edge then a crash to the right.

 

My body lands angled at about 2pm on a clockface. I just cant seem to figure out what to do to keep my body upright at 12 oclock. My spin feels like it happens so fast I cant seem to gather awareness of where I am during airtime.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epZScvEI5_s&feature=related

 

Any suggestions from good tricksters?

 

Please help ...

post #2 of 11

OUCH!  it looks like you need to get WAAAY forward at takeoff.  You're going in the air with your body perpendicular to the lip of the jump instead of the earth.  You should be spinning with your body vertical, not horizontal.  I would say just do some normal air and focus on keeping the body vertical throughout the jump.  You need to be forward enough so that you can land with your ski tips slightly before the tails.  Then do a 180 while keeping body vertical and landing backwards. Then move onto the 360.

post #3 of 11

Two things in priority order for learning 360:

 

1. Look for the landing over your shoulder. You should do this immediately after take off.

 

2. To get a straighter posture on a left rotation, try pointing your right arm straight up in the air after take off. This will make most people standing straight up in the air. The left arm could point down along your side, but is less important than the right arm. Keep the arm up until you're about to land.

 

Practice these two tips on the ground without ski boots a couple of times to get the feeling for it.

post #4 of 11

Your right hand stops rotating once you leave the jump.  Continue to rotate your right hand and your head to the left and you will make it all the way around.

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post #6 of 11

You don't need such a big jump, and a steeper landing could save you some pain and suffering.  Go smaller.  Get out of the park for some safer practice.  It's easier to find a softer landing too.

 

That first vid was helpful.


Edited by Paul Jones - 12/24/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

You don't need such a big jump, and a steeper landing could save you some pain and suffering.  Go smaller.  Get out of the park for some safer practice.  It's easier to find a softer landing too.

 

That firs vid was helpful.

I was looking for the video that ssh posted and found it in the thread I posted above, which supports what Paul says

http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/data/504/Heli.MPG
 

post #9 of 11

Right hand up AND FORWARD at takeoff to spin left.  But, be overly aware that you will want both hands forward to land and not behind you.  That should help keep you from losing your axis.  Head turned and looking for the landing.  Both hands forward preparing to land, maybe plant the poles for a 4 point non-backseat landing.  If you feel over rotation spread your hands a part a little to slow it down.

post #10 of 11

TC, that's the one I was thinking about.

 

Also, Crgilart, the younger skier's vid suggested not to spot the landing too early.  What do you think about that advice.

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Also, Crgilart, the younger skier's vid suggested not to spot the landing too early.  What do you think about that advice.


I never felt comfortable in them until I spotted the landing.  That might be why I wasn't really good at them. redface.gif  But looking at these old photos I didn't look that early either.

 

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^^^That is the point I'd focus on getting my hands back out front and down.

 

Big props to the OP for not giving up.  I can't say that I wouldn't have given up on it if I augured like that more than once.

 


Edited by crgildart - 12/24/10 at 8:32pm
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