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post #31 of 58

Tried them last Saturday.  Worst ski of the day for ME.  Conditions weren't the best for the ski:  hard and fast groomers.  Was looking for a powder ski, so the whole day was weird, but I felt that the tails didn't hold well relative to other skis I tried, which were:  Sidestash, S3, S7, and the Mantra. Re-demoed today in powder, but left that off the list.  I'm not the type to try "leading edge skis", however.  

post #32 of 58

I tried them last April at Stevens Pass on a day with a few inches of heavier powder and some well packed snow as well.  My soft snow skis are a pair of Fischer Atuas, the precussor to the Watea line.  


I mention the Atuas because the BBRs skied very similarly with the exception of having a larger sweet spot.  The large shovel made the skis rise up onto the soft snow even with weight well forward.  I enjoyed the skis but didn't feel that they were enough better than the Atuas to make a financial commitment to them.  I'm still looking.

post #33 of 58

Demo'd these today at the tent at the base of Warm Springs/Sun Valley.


We've had some snow recently, but 2 days ago it got up to 40 deg. and everything really softened up an well, setup very firm when night temps dropped to 5 deg and cold all day today.  Wind scoured the mountain last night with 2" of fresh blown around, some terrain completely bare of new snow and some terrain had pockets up to 6" deep guarded by exposed wind scoured bump tops.  So quite firm snow and just nasty conditions everywhere else.


I've looked at these very skeptically in the shops and really wondered if these can actually be skied. 


Well, I agree with the positive reviews above.  The BBR's are FUN!  I was really surprised at how they hooked up and carved on the groomed, ripped QCT's on the edge of the steeper groomed.  For the first couple of runs, I was very concerned they were going to hook and cross the tips, but they never did.  Just when they seemed to grabbing and hooking across the fall line, they seemed to subtly break loose, I've never felt anything like it.


As my confidence in these sticks grew, I decided to take them into some of the smaller wind scoured bumps that were partially filled in with slightly slabbed wind blown snow.  These skis turned basically unskiable terrain into fun, yet still very challenging runs.  I could not ski this terrain with my 185 Screams, as I tried after I returned them back to the demo tent.  Just WOW!, really.


I can't understate the tricky snow conditions off piste, my wife's tracks and my tracks down the off piste runs we skied were still the ONLY tracks down these runs at the end of the day and there was nothing wrong with these tracks, fall line with consistent turns.


My wife BTW, is 120# and demo'd the 169's.  She also felt very comfortable on them in our short time riding them.


When I asked the rep to describe the skis, he said, "all mountain" and I just thought, "oh, really now".  What a surprise, they are.


I doubt they are the very best ski for any condition, but from my experience today, I doubt there are many out there that can match the "all mountain" versatility that these skis performed in today.  I mean, how many skis can be most suitable for both hard pack and powder snow conditions. ??


I'll demo these skis again and take them into some bigger bumps with better conditions and hopefully ride them in some untracked and crud.  When I do, I'll add to the post.


I'm really looking forward to getting on these again soon, I've never skied on anything like them.  I wish I had taken a better look at the tune to see if they had been de-tuned at all.  Oh well, I'll look better next time.

post #34 of 58

I think BBR stands for Benny Been Rippingbiggrin.gif.  I'm skeptical of the ski, but if Captain Benny says their good, they probably are.  They seem to me like a ski that could benefit from a binding, like the Jester, that can be easily adjusted for/aft for different conditions.

post #35 of 58

I hear ya TPJ,


I never thought I'd be writing a review like that on those visible freaks of the ski industry.  I was amazed.


I really wish I had looked the skis over better when I returned them to see if my boot was centered over the mark and if/how they were tuned.  The factory mount seemed perfect, I just assume I was properly centered.  I actually thought about it when I was skiing them, thinking they must have experimented with it a lot, because it seemed just right.  With a little shovel pressure, the sweet spot was easy to find and seemed big.


I don't see anyone riding them on our hill, I'm sure everyone is as skeptical as I was.  That wider soft shovel was really forgiving when it had to be, yet solid when rolling it over and pressuring it.  I've got to get on them for another 1/2 day to confirm the experience.


If you see the demo tent, take them for a couple of runs.  I'd like to hear what you think and anyone else for that matter.



post #36 of 58

I'm in a good position where I can demo about anytime I want.  I just like to be not working.  I demoed a bunch of skis early this season, but didn't get to the BBR.

post #37 of 58
Originally Posted by Nailbender View Post

Demo'd these today at the tent at the base of Warm Springs/Sun Valley.

Apologies if I missed it in the shuffle, but didn't see it anywhere: Which model BBR (7.9 or 8.9) and what length did you demo?


And if you don't mind sharing what is your height and weight?

post #38 of 58

Sorry about that JCski-


I'm 6' / 165# and the BBR's I skied were the 8.9 / 186 cm.


My wife is 5' - 7" / 120# and skied the BBR's she skied were the 7.9/ 169 cm.

post #39 of 58
Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I think BBR stands for Benny Been Rippingbiggrin.gif.  I'm skeptical of the ski, but if Captain Benny says their good, they probably are.  They seem to me like a ski that could benefit from a binding, like the Jester, that can be easily adjusted for/aft for different conditions.

Obvious affiliation with Solly not withstanding?

post #40 of 58

That was one of my biggest problems with the Powder ski draft this year at Jackson Hole.  It had Salomon approved stamped all over it.  Not that they don't make good skis, but it seemed like a lot of the testers were sponsored by them.  On the other hand, they didn't go out of their way to hide that at least.

Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Obvious affiliation with Solly not withstanding?


post #41 of 58

Reviews have certainly been mixed. I love these in powder especially, but also on icy, wind scoured steeps and trenching groomers. Had them since early release last January and spent a lot of time on them in all conditions. A really versatile ski, super nimble and fun ski that is also forgiving and trustworthy in mixed conditions. I have them mounted with Griffon Demo bindings moved about 2cm back, and I'd recommend that or the Schizos as a binding because they quiet down and are more stable back a bit. They work amazingly well on softer, Utah groomers as carvers, but I keep a stiffer ski around for going fast on hard snow.

 So, well, they got no no love from some...especially those who have never skied them, but, I say, just grin and Beiber it....




Edited by Mr. Crab - 1/30/12 at 11:37am
post #42 of 58

I've talked to a few people who have used them, and I find a distinct trend among the responses:


-Fun ski

-Great all-around ski

-Does everything very well but nothing exceptionally well

-Expert skiers hate them because they prefer specific skis for specific duties; novice-intermediates love them because they're good enough in just about anything


I think it's important to remember the target audience for the BBR; it's not an expert skier.  It's someone who wants something forgiving, that can handle most conditions very well, and can allow someone to purchase only one ski that will do the job.  Makes perfect sense.  It's a "jack of all trades" kind of ski, not a carver, not a powder ski, not a GS, not an SL, etc, etc.  It's that mushy middle where it can do a wide variety of things well and make for a fun day on the mountain.


Anyone whose ability is good enough to know the difference between those skis.........won't need the BBR anyway. And those people aren't the target market either.

post #43 of 58

I demoed the 8.9 a few weeks ago at whistler for a few hours. Conditions were around a foot of new chop (too slow waking up to get any powder runs); groomers were a bit of new snow on hardpack/ice. The previous day I'd demoed some Shoguns, and I normally ski a Peak 82, Dynastar Contact Cross, and Dynastar Omeglass WC SL. 


My impression is they're mediocre in all conditions. Edge grip was mediocre compared to any of my other skis. No pop like either of the Dynastars. Lacked the stability of the Shoguns and Peaks in bumps/trees. Contrary to some other posters' experiences, I found them boring. Never once did I say "wow, these feel awesome!" 


I suppose if you're an intermediate who's only going to buy one pair of skis and you mostly get soft snow days, this would be a good ski. However, other skis are better if you prefer any of the following: feedback from the ski, rebound/pop, primarily ski off-piste, or primarily ski on-piste.

Edited by Metaphor_ - 1/30/12 at 2:37pm
post #44 of 58

Quick question Metaphor on a bit of a side note......I don't see any deeper snow ski in your mentioned quiver.  They're all fairly narrow.  After using the BBR, what ski do you actually use/prefer for some deeper snow, trees, etc?

post #45 of 58

I skied these in a foot of windpacked and also some softer stuff in the trees, Vail, last Friday. They were the 89 at 176 (?) and were alot of fun.  They turn so quick you can land on your face if not paying attention. Not great at speed but very carvy, floaty and fun. Would I buy them? Maybe.  Need to check them out in a longer length.

post #46 of 58

You need to ski them in the 186, assuming you're more or less average sized as with the rocker, the actual running length, where the camber hits the snow is in the 150s. I'd like to see it in a 196. Carves clean, but not a race carver, don't even go there.

post #47 of 58
Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

Quick question Metaphor on a bit of a side note......I don't see any deeper snow ski in your mentioned quiver.  They're all fairly narrow.  After using the BBR, what ski do you actually use/prefer for some deeper snow, trees, etc?

You caught me! I ski the peak 82 for deeper days--it takes a bit more technique to ski them than a powder ski, but that just keeps me on my game. I'd consider more of a powder ski but stuff gets so tracked out at whistler within a couple of hours that you may just get a few powder turns before being back on chop or hardpack. BBR is off the table altogether for me. 

post #48 of 58

The Cham pics are really interesting- SJ, Phil, please send me a Cham 107 in the 184 to put next to these babies. Also a JJ if you can spare it, for comparison...looks like, just when we thought design had hit a plateau, things are heating up again. Sounds like the Cham is somewhat like the JJ...anyway, I had this comparison shot. The BBR really is fat up front, hence it's great powder performance.




post #49 of 58

Ummmmmm...............you might have wait a while for us to send you one but we'll get right on that just as soon as we can................biggrin.gif


Ackshully, the Cham is not that close to the JJ although there is at least a passing resemblance to the TST. The Cham is probably closer to the BBR than it is to the others although the details in design and build are much different. The Cham has more tip rise than the BBR, it is notably stiffer, and the 5 point design is more pronounced. I skied the new 2013 BBR 10.0 over the last two days and while it is better for a strong skier than the current version , IMO the Cham hits that mark much better.



post #50 of 58

I bought the BBR 8.9 186s that were for sale from Ptex.  I didn't think I'd buy them because, while I liked them, they weren't a ton different than my soft snow skis that I was already using.  However, the price was right, so I sprung for them.


Well, I'm glad I did.  Now that I've had more time to check them out I find they are just the ski for me.  I love reading this stuff about how the ski is great for intermediates but not experts because experts want specialized skis, not generalized ones.  I don't know if you'd call me an expert or not, but I'm not an intermediate any more and I can tell you I think these skis are going to be my go-to ride.


The thing I have been looking for in a ski is one that will do most things well, not necessarily excellent.  On most days where I ski there is a great deal of variability in the snow.  It's not at all unusual to find scraped off ice, hard pack, soft pack, powder, crud, and spring conditions all on the same day.  A ski like the BBR is perfect for that type of skiing.  The only type of snow on which I would defer to my other skis is when everything is hard.  The BBR isn't bad at all at it, but my Elan 888s are better.

Edited by Posaune - 2/18/12 at 2:50pm
post #51 of 58

I tried a set at the SIA Winter park demo days, I like a ski with good edge hold and was disappointed with the BBR, but when I took them back to the Salomon test centre I had a good look at the edges and noticed they were well rounded over like a well used rental ski, I didn't have the time to try another set, so I will keep an open mind about them until I get on a set that has edges in tune.

Most people I speak too like them, I noticed a lot of them while I was at Vail and Steamboat the last few weeks.

post #52 of 58

They actually had these in our shop at Wachusett(!), so I HAD to take them out for a spin.  (I haven't had a chance to do many demos this season.)


Not a fan on hardpack.  They hold -- mostly -- but they don't feel terribly secure.  And they SOUND really weird, probably some combination of the sidecut and profile.  Not sure about the condition of the edges.


Did nice things on the chopped-up granular and bumpy loose crud on what passes for steeps there.  Really smoothed out the ride, and you could smear and skid through stuff that would make a hard-snow ski catch sideways and send you flying.  We only had horrible frozen-over bumps, and they weren't amazing, but didn't seem exceptionally bad there.


I imagine that if you mostly ski some form of soft snow they'd be extremely versatile.

post #53 of 58
Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

I heard they are expanding the line, so somebody must be enjoying them out there. 

Found these online today...







post #54 of 58

The new 8.0 and Skylite look like more traditional tails.....wonder if that'll help overcome some of the related shortcomings noted by some users.


Side note: I saw somebody skiing BBR's the other day (not sure 7.9 or 8.9) on eastern hardpack......and I could see the fluttering tips from the lift.  That would concern me....nothing more scary than ripping eastern hardpack (ie-normal conditions) and having jittery shovels.

post #55 of 58

I loaned my Biebers to a friend who's idea of fun is to blast down an icy mogul field on 184 Mantras, and do it perfectly. He won't give 'em back....

post #56 of 58

I took my BBRs out today.  The conditions were extremely heavy Cascade Concrete, sort of the consistency of mashed potatoes/mayonnaise. There was about 2-3 inches of new.  I would call it "gloppy."  The skis ripped it.  I was amazed.  This was the first time I've skied them on this type of snow and they handled it with incredible ease, turns were consistent and smooth with little effort in this concrete-like setting.  Wow.

post #57 of 58

I thought perhaps a review from a more intermediate type skier might be of interest.  I am about 6' 2" 190 lbs.  I have been skiing about 12 years, but that has typically been 1 - 2 ski specific vacations a year and the last few years, since kids, I am fortunate if skiing is even every year.  I enjoy fresh snow, but often find the combination of technique and narrower rental skis makes for a mixed experience.  I'll venture off the beaten path and into open glades looking for snow.  I do alright as the snow gets cut up and even through soft bumps.  Steeper groomed runs or steeper runs with powder are OK.  As bumps begin to turn hard, I don't have those skills, nor do I have the skills for tight or steep treed areas.  The reality is also that given my skill set, and the fact that I usually ski with my groomer only wife, that I end up spending at least 75% of my time on intermediate type groomed runs.


The conditions were four days back near the beginning of the month at Steamboat  The first two days had fresh snow, maybe 6 inches the first day and another 3-4 inches the next.  The last two days tended towards spring conditions, depending on aspect and elevation.  I skied groomers all over the mountain, some of the steeper runs on around the Storm Peak lift, a number of laps through various parts of Morningside, some of the open areas between Buddy's and Flying Z among other places.


I am pretty sure the skis were 7.9 BBRs in 179 cm.  The top sheet graphics looked more like the 8.9 pictures I have seen, but the tail and the available length suggest 7.9  May be a matter of pictures of different model years.


The skis were quite the conversation piece on the lift.  People couldn't look down and see them without commenting.  For ungroomed conditions, these were far and away the easiest to use skis I have used.  With the wide tip and rocker, I never had any trouble keeping the tips from diving in the snow.  They were very confidence inspiring.  Even when I ventured into conditions that I thought were going to be trouble for someone like me, like crud that had baked in the sun, frozen over and then baked in the sun some more, they surprised me with how well they handled the snow.  I would have like the opportunity to try some deeper snow, but it wasn't in the cards.


On the groomed runs, they were enjoyable, but I didn't feel like they quite had the grip as some skis I have rented in the past.  (Some that come to mind over the years were the Salomon X-Wing Tornado, some X-Screams that I don't remember the exact model and some Bandit Xs.)  I could mainly get them to do what I wanted, after a lot of experimentation, but I never quite had the confidence with these on groomed runs as I have had on some other skis, though still much better then the skis sometimes doled out to tourist.  Given that the packed runs were mostly either the very soft snow you get the day after a storm or the wet powdered sugar of spring, they should have been easier to use on groomed terrain.  There is no denying that the driver could be making a difference and someone with better technique might have an easier time.


Overall, a very fun ski that allowed me to really go and do anything I wanted.  When there is the possibility of a mixed bag of conditions, these seem well suited for the flexibility and forgiveness to allow one to venture into different snow conditions.  If you plan to stick mostly to groomed terrain, the compromises of the ski design suggest something a little different might be more suited but these can get the job done adequately.  I would gladly use these again if the weather included some snow.

post #58 of 58
Originally Posted by brandon View Post

I thought perhaps a review from a more intermediate type skier might be of interest.  ...


Overall, a very fun ski that allowed me to really go and do anything I wanted.  When there is the possibility of a mixed bag of conditions, these seem well suited for the flexibility and forgiveness to allow one to venture into different snow conditions. 

Nice review, thx for sharing. I think Salomon would be very happy to read it - confirmation their BBR makes more of the mountain fun and accessible for more skiers. I look forward to trying them sometime myself.

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