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Narrowed down a Quiver of one!!

post #1 of 17
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 The old story there is no one quiver ski is slowly but surly deminishing!! The line up for 2011 has many offerings that seem to be as close as one quiver skis as you can get!WOW! I have narrowed it down but since i cant try them all were i live i thought i would see what you guys think. I ski on Nordica Jetfuels and love there on Pist performance but HATE there tip dive in Powder!! Im a big guy 230 6ft not fat at all can muslte any ski with confandence. Im looking for a 50/50 ski. There out there this year if your a bigger guy it seems or a lighter expert. I was looking for big shovels with LOTS of sidecut. Hear are my picks. Trying to narrow it down to 3 to try first. i dont want tail rocker so much. But a little tip is always fine for powder. Most mountains up hear Northern BC get big powder days but theres lots of groomer days in between also. Im am a good skiier. As fast as they get so it seems. 50-60mph on good soft groomer days according to my GPS. Help me narrow it down a bit. Skis will have Jetster Schizos 16din. 

 

LibTech Magic HP 144/100/128- 188cm

 

Skilogik Ullrs Chariots 145/101/131-188cm

 

Line Mothership 141/111/131-195 or 185cm

 

Line Prophit 115 153/115/142-186cm

 

Line sir francis bacon 142/115/139

 

Nordica Enforcer 135/98/125-185cm

 

DPS Wailer112 141/112/ 128-190cm

 

Elan Olympus 140/110/130

 

Fat-Ypus D-Sender ER 144/112/130 184cm

 

Kastle Hugo pro MX108 132/108/122-187cm

 

Kastle MX98 126/98/116-188cm

 

ON3P Wrenegade 141/113/128-191cm

 

Shamon 160/110/130-184cm

 

PM gear Lasa Pow 140/112/120-186cm

 

 There you have my SHORT list and see why I need help!!! I would like to know what 3 skis you would like the most out of these if any? If I can Narrow it down to 3 that would be great. Some of the reviews confuse me like the Kastles because they dont have near as much side cut as others yet rate very high? Good old Tech I guess? Line has gotten my attention in this category because all the ski tests I find rate them very High as a all rounder. The 3 Im leaning toward are.

 

Line Prophet 115

Skilogik Ullrs with masive side cut!!

Lib-Tech Magic HP

 

What 3 for a big guy resort ski and out of bounds would you pick? Thanks for the input in advance. I accually like the 3 Lines there also. Just dont know what {one} would be best as an all round ripper. James

post #2 of 17
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Guess the list is to over whelming or what? rolleyes.gif I went out today and talked to the dealer about some of the skis on the list he had in his shop. He likes the Goats and Mantra that arnt on my list more than say the Line 115,s He said to large of tip and you have to ski like a cowboy to much to wide of stance that will affect your hip and canting would be a nightmare? Never thought of that. Also the MX 98 would be a great all rounder?

post #3 of 17
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He said to large of tip and you have to ski like a cowboy to much to wide of stance that will affect your hip and canting would be a nightmare?


I would question his credibility, either he's never skied something like the Shaman or he's not very good.  I ski on Shamans and have no problems at all with stance.  The only times so far this year when I've skied my Volkl Supersport Allstars is when the conditions were a bit sketchy and when I went out with a Level III instructor to work on some of the Level II tasks. 

post #4 of 17

I'd say your list is a bit too far into the 'Big Mountain' side of things to call it a list of '50/50' skis. The Nordica Enforcer is the ski from that list that I would want for 50% groomer and 50% off piste, with all those other bigger skis, why no Nordica Girish??? It's a ripper.

post #5 of 17

If you're looking at the ON3P Wren, you would be doing yourself a service to also look at the Vicik as more of a daily driver

post #6 of 17

What do you consider "lots of sidecut"?  Most of the skis on your list don't qualify IMO.  Also, if you're truly looking for a 50/50 ski then you shouldn't have anything over 100mm underfoot  (once again IMO). 

 

You should look at Movement and ZAG skis if you truly want big shovels with lots of sidecut.  The only ski on your list that matches what you say you want is the Nordica Enforcer.

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

I'd say your list is a bit too far into the 'Big Mountain' side of things to call it a list of '50/50' skis. The Nordica Enforcer is the ski from that list that I would want for 50% groomer and 50% off piste, with all those other bigger skis, why no Nordica Girish??? It's a ripper.



+1 on Whiterooms opinion as well as the Nordica Enforcer which is a great allmountain ski that carves very well. However at your size the 185 could be a bit small. 

post #8 of 17
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The Enforcer is a top pick. Having not skied on very many 100+ skis under foot at all just the JJ,s I have no idea about on Pist performance. The reviews say on these skis mentioned that they carve great as well as float pretty good? I think the definitions of what carves great may be a little scewed by conventional terms of yesterday perhaps? I would say my Jetfuels carve trenches almost as good as the Dobermans I was on last year. I dont expect that much carve but would sure like a ski that floats better at slower speeds for tight trees that also can arch over on a groomed run if the snow isnt to hard and make some trenches. 95-98 perhaps? I have some 92 under foot Fulie Boss Harts that rail but they suck in powder to stiff in the shovel. Maybe the Enforcer is the best pick. Thats what im trying to decifer. I spoke with the owner of Skilogic and he said that the Chariots rail groomed slops with a fircely gripping edge? That sounds good also. I think the HUGE tip going down to 101 off sets the width at the foot a bit is why? They arch because thay have a 14m radious. Must be faily soft? My buddy has some Enforcers I can try we just need a bit more snow. I was out last week and was like an obstical course!! Thanks for your replys. James

post #9 of 17

I simply do not understand skis like the enforcers. They are pretty much a fat conventional design.

 

Look up skis like Rossi S7 & S3s, Praxis Concepts, Praxis BCs, Atomic Bent Chetlers, DPS 112 RPs, Armada JJs, K2 Obsetheds, Line SFBs (if I get unlazy, I may post some pics). They have certain characteristics in common. Not all the same - but a clear picture emerges. A picture of what an all-mountain ski will look like in the next few years. Think tip+tail rocker. Think early taper or a careful conceptual variation based on rate of rise vs rate of width shift. Camber varies by preference and intended use (I'm a fan of flat or "minicamber", but YMMV). In general, 105 to 120 wide seems where lots of designs are settling.

 

I disagree with the notion that a 50/50 ski needs to be sub-100. Especially since newer designs roll differently.  Around here, more and more folks view the above models as "daily drivers" for mixed use. And that trend will do nothing but continue. The pro patrol at my local hill is almost turning into the "S7 does it all" choir. I expect to log more days on my Praxis Concepts than anything else this year (they are my narrowest skis at 114). The myth of the racer notwithstanding - look at the very best all around skiers on your hill. At this point, odds are decent they are on a ski of this genre - or maybe even a shade wider (like a Hell Bent or EP). This is especially true in areas with maritime snow.

 

I'd focus on skis of this sort. 

post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

I simply do not understand skis like the enforcers. They are pretty much a fat conventional design.

 

Look up skis like Rossi S7 & S3s, Praxis Concepts, Praxis BCs, Atomic Bent Chetlers, DPS 112 RPs, Armada JJs, K2 Obsetheds, Line SFBs (if I get unlazy, I may post some pics). They have certain characteristics in common. Not all the same - but a clear picture emerges. A picture of what an all-mountain ski will look like in the next few years. Think tip+tail rocker. Think early taper or a careful conceptual variation based on rate of rise vs rate of width shift. Camber varies by preference and intended use (I'm a fan of flat or "minicamber", but YMMV). In general, 105 to 120 wide seems where lots of designs are settling.

 

I disagree with the notion that a 50/50 ski needs to be sub-100. Especially since newer designs roll differently.  Around here, more and more folks view the above models as "daily drivers" for mixed use. And that trend will do nothing but continue. The pro patrol at my local hill is almost turning into the "S7 does it all" choir. I expect to log more days on my Praxis Concepts than anything else this year (they are my narrowest skis at 114). The myth of the racer notwithstanding - look at the very best all around skiers on your hill. At this point, odds are decent they are on a ski of this genre - or maybe even a shade wider (like a Hell Bent or EP). This is especially true in areas with maritime snow.

 

I'd focus on skis of this sort. 


I agree with a lot of what you are saying. However out of all the skis that you mention, for me with a racing background, the only one that I think comes close to carving as good as the Enforcer is the DPS 112 RPs and they are hard to get these days. S7, JJ, (and some other more BC jib-oriented rocker skis) are skis that I have tried and they are IMO all quite soft and ski quite short on groomers and are nowhere close in on piste performance to a Enforcers (or DPS 112 for that matter). However in powder and particularly in the woods the rocker design makes them very agile and they all pretty much excel in these type of conditions. I guess it comes down to what you prefer and what type of terrain you are going to ski. Best allround rocker ski by far (again IMO) is the DPS Wailer 112 RP. 

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 

I agree with both of your prospectives for sure. I agree with Spindrift that the future of skiing is changing toward the type Im mentioning. But I also agree with Gzon that a racers carve is a G force type feeling over simply holding an edge. Im looking for something in the middle I guess. My feeling is as long as theres camber and reasonably manageable width 110 or 112 not so much rockered but just a bit of early rise with stiffer tails they would arch a nice turn. Sure would need to roll those puppys over but a ski like this should theoretically still be able to hold an edge quite effectively on reasonably decent groomers and still really shine in the trees all in the same day on the same ski. The DPS shape and flex looks interesting to me. I think they are a little stiffer in the tails arnt they? The Enforcers seem like a logical choice but if I can rail an Enforcer on a groomer what about a ski even wider? i skied on some fisher Porohete,s for a week a couple of years ago in the powder and groomers. I was amazed how they held an edge at 106 under foot. They were OK powder skis. My old B9,s skied in powder better!! The JJ,s are great in the powder but are not the feeling im looking for on groomed. I need to narrow the list down to the best carving skis of the bunch. Im sure most or all will be more than great in powder.

post #12 of 17

whipper - Your comments lead me to believe that you're really not looking for a 50/50 ski.  It's sounding more like you want a big mountain ski that can still hold an edge on the groomers.

 

With all due respect to Spindrift, if you're truly going to end up spending half your time railing on groomers then you're making a big compromise going with a ski over 100mm underfoot EVEN if it is a new funshape 5 point design.  Yes, the new ski designs are much more adept at holding an edge and performing adequately on groomers, but if it were me and I wanted the best of BOTH worlds (truly 50/50 here) then a funshape would not be my selection.  I would go with something in the mid-90s underfoot with some early rise and maybe some early taper.

 

I happen to own a ski just like that and have been skiing it a lot lately.  It's the ZAG Heli Gold, but the Nordica Enforcer is cut from a similar mold.

post #13 of 17
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I think you may be right noodler. That sounds what Im looking for. BTW I have to write this. It snowed 7ft in the past 48hrs at Mt Washington today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW hows that for a dump!! 90cm in the past 24 and snowing heavy!! 168cm past 48hrs!! 480cm base already!! I want to move back to Nanaimo were I was born and raised skiing that MT!! Just had to tell someone.beercheer.gif

post #14 of 17

Call me crazy but I'm using the K2 Hardsides as a one-ski quiver this year on the east coast.  The are stiff which helps on hardpack but not super stiff.  They're 98 underfoot but have tip rocker so turn initiation is quick; a good tree ski.  The tails are flat.  I've got Barons on them and bought the pre-cut K2 skins which hook into the holes on the tip and tail of the ski.  Works pretty slick.

 

The Sidestash is a similar design and 108 underfoot.  Maybe one of these would work for you.

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks but I always thought the hell bents were very soft unless they changed that this year? Sick looking sticks for sure. Mery Christmas.

post #16 of 17

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/quiver 

 

Do you want a ski that quivers, or a quiver for your skis?

 

post #17 of 17
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Thanks but I always thought the hell bents were very soft unless they changed that this year? Sick looking sticks for sure. Mery Christmas.



Not Hellbents...Hardsides...and trust me, "very soft" they aint.  Merry Christmas to you!

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