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Base damage from poor wax job - can it be fixed?

post #1 of 10
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For the short version skip to the last paragraph.

 

Haven't posted here in a long while but I need some advice. I picked up a pair of Rossi S3's about a month ago. Factory tune didn't seem great but I skied them once to confirm before I took them to get sharpened and set to 1/3.

 

I work on an air force base where there is an outdoor recreation shop that offers ski tuning/waxing. I knew I wouldn't get the absolute best tune from there but it was cheap and convenient so I figured I'd give it a shot. Got the skis back and didn't look them over that closely (my bad).

 

I skied for a couple of hours last night and the skis definitely skied much better, so I was pleased enough. However, when I got home, I noticed the damage pictured below. There are a couple of bubbles, and the gold inlay logo on the bottom of the ski appears to have shrunk and partially delaminated from the core. I'm assuming whoever waxed the skis either had the iron too hot or left it in that area too long or both.

 

I'm obviously disappointed that this has happened. I haven't spoken to the shop yet, but my guess is they won't do anything. I am about to leave on vacation for a few days and I won't have a chance to take the skis in anywhere before I leave, so I am posting here for advice so I can handle this upon my return. I'm trying not to get too upset, but this is a brand new pair of skis so I'm more than a bit annoyed. At least the damage is on the shovel and not underfoot. The large bubble appears to be just in front of where the ski contacts the snow when flat and weighted. I'm most concerned about the delamination of that gold inlay. I can actually see the core through the gap.

 

Have any of you seen something like this before? Can this be fixed? If it can I will take it to a reputable shop in the Boston area. If it can't be fixed what should I do? Thanks for any help you can provide! 

 

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post #2 of 10

Can it be fixed? Yes and no. It can be repaired and skied on... but it will never be 'right' again. The bubbles can be slit open, epoxy injected and clamps applied to get the base flat again, the gap can be filled with ptex. Good luck. I'd say you are due a replacement.

post #3 of 10

I wouldn't completely rule out a manufacturing defect yet either.  I've looked at brand new Rossi S3's at a ski store, and I was surprised to notice that there was a slight gap between the inlaid gold logo and the rest of the base.  Nothing where you could see through to the core, but if you ran your fingernail across it, you could feel the gap.  I'm not sure if this is normal or not, but I was a bit surprised.  I would also contact Rossi's customer service / warranty center to see what they say.  Either way, someone owes you a new pair of skis.  Good Luck.

post #4 of 10

 

 

I bubbled the edges on a pair of Volkl AX3 years back a lot worse then that. Once I put them on the snow, they skied fine.

 

But this was done by someone you paid to do a good job. It's up to you. Are the skis new ?

 

You said they skied fine. If it's just the one ski with one bubble a good shop would cut the bubble out and a melt in some P-tex much the same way as if you hit rock in the P-tex.

post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks to all of you for the advice. In my ideal world, yes, I would get a new pair of skis. In reality I think that's probably not in the cards.

 

Like I said, the damage isn't in an area where it should really make any difference to the skis performance as far as I can tell, though until I get the gap sealed I would worry about water getting into the core. I think my best course of action is to simply bring it in to a good tech, get it repaired as well as possible, and enjoy the skis. I just hope the logo can be sealed back down, since it currently is slightly unglued from the core where it meets the base.

 

I've heard very good things about Mike de Santis, who is in my area. I'm not sure if he does repairs like this as well as performance tuning, but I will give him a call and see what he says. I will talk to the place that did this and to Rossignol, but I would be surprised if anything comes of it. Additionally this is my only pair of skis right now and I would rather not be ski-less for any period of time just as the season gets going.

 

ILOJ, are you sure it was a gap? On my pair you can definitely feel the join between the inlays and the rest of the base because the inlays are raised very slightly in comparison, but there is no gap (at least there wasn't). They almost feel like decals at first. Not sure why Rossi felt the need to include that particular design detail on a functionally critical part of the ski which will rarely be seen, but oh well. There's also a large inlay of an insect of some sort toward the rear of the ski. Totally unnecessary.

post #6 of 10

Quick Fix.    1.  ski as they are     2.  slit bubble, fill with Ptex, scrape level, structure P tex with ie. card file, wax

 

Not quick fix.   take to reputable shop and have them repaired, probably remove bubble, weld and restructure etc.

 

Have shop replace skis - don't know the details on age etc. so this could be ...........................?

 

post #7 of 10

I've noticed that too on most of the new S3's, especially with the junky factory wax Rossi seems to put on these skis.  I would call Rossi and complain, see what they say and who knows you might get a brand new pair!
 

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Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post
I wouldn't completely rule out a manufacturing defect yet either.  I've looked at brand new Rossi S3's at a ski store, and I was surprised to notice that there was a slight gap between the inlaid gold logo and the rest of the base. 
post #8 of 10

I'm sorry, but that is in NO WAY a manufacturer's defect. The defect was the person holding the waxing iron, place the blame where it belongs.

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ILOJ, are you sure it was a gap? On my pair you can definitely feel the join between the inlays and the rest of the base because the inlays are raised very slightly in comparison, but there is no gap (at least there wasn't). They almost feel like decals at first. Not sure why Rossi felt the need to include that particular design detail on a functionally critical part of the ski which will rarely be seen, but oh well. There's also a large inlay of an insect of some sort toward the rear of the ski. Totally unnecessary.

 

You're right TENNISETS, I guess  it may not really bet a gap, I don't really recall, it's been a month since I last saw them at the store, but you're right that you can definitely feel the interface of the inlay with your finger / fingernail. 

 

 

 

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I'm sorry, but that is in NO WAY a manufacturer's defect. The defect was the person holding the waxing iron, place the blame where it belongs.

I'm just saying "don't rule out a manufacturers defect".  Yes, the hot waxing iron on the base at the logo inlay caused the bubble / delamination - but could this be a weak spot ? a design weakness ? a manufacturing weakness ? Possibly.

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Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post
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I'm sorry, but that is in NO WAY a manufacturer's defect. The defect was the person holding the waxing iron, place the blame where it belongs.

I'm just saying "don't rule out a manufacturers defect".  Yes, the hot waxing iron on the base at the logo inlay caused the bubble / delamination - but could this be a weak spot ? a design weakness ? a manufacturing weakness ? Possibly.

 


Yeah, they didn't make it moron-proof. The bases are melted... there are pictures... take a look. That's operator error not a manufacturer defect, suggesting otherwise is like driving a car into a telephone pole then claiming the manufacturer didn't get the paint job perfect so they should repair the impact damage.

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