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post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Seeking input on selecting a POW Ski. I am an advanced to expert skier, 46 years old, 185 lb, ski 30-35 days per year the last few years, mainly in Tahoe and I've, been through some Epic and other trainings with quality coaches. Comfortable on all single blacks and most double diamonds (90%), ski regularly in the Chutes at Mt Rose, KT-22 bowl....silverado, and also get some days in Utah, CO or MT at least once annually.

Huge dumps in Tahoe are driving me towards scoring a PHAT POW ride. My everyday ski is a Dynastar Mythic Rider, 178, (88 mm wide). I like skiing in ungroomed and bumps as well as the woods but like to take some laps on the groomers too, periodically. Like it all really.

 

I've noticed all the raves about the Rossi S7 but have also heard good things about a few other POW skis, such as the Blizzard Pogo Stick, the Blizzard Titan....and many folks seem to like the Gotamas....but I'd say I'd want something rockered with all the new gear moving in that direction.

 

I recently saw the Liberty Helix and Double Helix offered at a good price and would be very interested in hearing what anyone who has ridden those skis this season or demo'd them as previews last season has to say about those. The Double Helix is a uge ski, but seems a little geared towards back country rather than any every day skiing.

DIMENSIONS

 

Size Tip Waist Tail
174 150 121 140
182 150 121 140
190 150 121 140

 

 

I read the ski magazine test reviews and the S7 scored big but so did some of the blizzards....and a few other models. I would typically demo a few pairs out at least and may still do that, but with the huge dumps I'd like to make a move sooner than later.

 

I appreciate your input, gonna be a great season in Tahoe, was skiing in 2 ft of pow before thanksgiving so need those PHAT boards soon.

 

Thanks and Happy Trails!

post #2 of 26

I know this sounds crazy, but why not demo now, while it's snowing? Or does that make too much sense?

post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 

Of course I am going to demo, hard to demo Liberty though and looking to narrow down the field with some reccomendations.

post #4 of 26
Thread Starter 

Of course I am going to demo, hard to demo Liberty though and looking to narrow down the field with some reccomendations.

post #5 of 26
Can't go wrong by flipping a coin. Heads = S7. Tails = JJ. Actually there is a really really good recent review of the S7 that evolved into a S7 v. JJ discussion in member gear reviews or the ski gear forum. Can't remember. Check it out. You really can't go wrong with either and if you decide you don't like em you can prolly get most of your $ back as long as you buy in the 180's.
post #6 of 26
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Please enlighten me on what a JJ is? Thanks for the info.

post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 

Que, searched for the S7 review, could not find it yet...thanks for the info.

post #8 of 26

Armada JJ

 

Check out this Epic Thread

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/89656/review-2010-k2-obsethed-179-v-2010-armada-jj

 

Also,

Finndog is selling a pair in the gear section. PM him if interested.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/98950/09-10-armada-jj-s-175-look-pivot-14-s-500-shipped

post #9 of 26
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Please enlighten me on what a JJ is? Thanks for the info.



"Elf Shoe technology"    Triple sidecut and double camber.

post #10 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks Living Proof and Mudfoot, good info. Demo Days ahead....

post #11 of 26

Finn's JJ are too short for you its a shme cause they are a great deal.

 

With an 88 mm skis already in the quiver dont be afraid of going a little to wide.

 

S7 smeariest and floaties in the powder, while still being damn good on SOFT groomed snow. not my favorite in crud as they tend to ride up instead of though.

 

JJ - I really need to ski this ski

 

Blizzard Titan isnt a ski , but the one you want from them is "the answer" . The answer is Big Mountain all mountain skis with a powder bias. Crud, chalky hardpack, GS turns, and powder it will do with equal aplomb.

 

Volkl Katana -  I own this and its fantastic powder ski with out being a clunky ski in other conditions. IMO its feel quicker and pivoty than the S7 while having slightly less float. Soft groomer hardpack groomer both can be carved on, but the reall beauty of the Katana is how it slice though the crappiest crud you can find. Giant refrozen wet spring and deep snow is its bitch. Downside heavy as hell and not really fun in the air.

post #12 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks BushwackerinPA, good info!

 

Lee

post #13 of 26
Welcome to the dark side. Pretty much all you want to know about powder skis can be easily found here:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104129
I would suggest you read up on the Praxis RX if you want an outstanding powder ski. Not so deep with a more groomed run bias, look at the Praxis Back Country's. I saw a thread on here that if you entered epic on the Praxis site you got 10% off. Other powder skis I have or have considered are the Movement Sluff, The Moment Bibby and the PM Gear Lhasa Pow. Check out all of those on the link provided and you will be good to go from an info standpoint. Be sure and check the Gear Swap thread over there for great deals on skis.
Enjoy
post #14 of 26

FWIW, Liberty is planning to do a mid-season design change, put full rocker on all the Helixes. The new versions should be hitting shops soon, which will drive down prices on the existing stocks. 

 

That said, I'd go for a S7 or Moment Comi or Dynastar Huge if you want a great dedicated powder tool, or grab a current Double Helix or Katana or Elan Olympus if you want something that's more Big Mountain, handle everything well, probably better prices than S7's (never on sale) or Moments (rarely) if you wait until after Presidents' Day. 

 

Only reason I don't mention JJ's is that the reviews all note they're lighter and more jibby than S7's, not traits that will work well at Tahoe IMO. Only reason I don't agree about Blizzards is that I've heard the Answer is one beefy ski, not sure it's a strong candidate for your first real powder ski. 

post #15 of 26
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FWIW, Liberty is planning to do a mid-season design change, put full rocker on all the Helixes. The new versions should be hitting shops soon, which will drive down prices on the existing stocks. 

 



 

They are available now, I've had Helix and DubHelix for two weeks or so, the new camber profile is a big improvement, IMO.

post #16 of 26

 

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Que, searched for the S7 review, could not find it yet...thanks for the info.



 

Try this link for the S7 vs. JJ dialog:

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/98328/rossignol-s7-ski-gear-review/30#post_1285880
 

 

post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks for all the great info, it's been a big help. Great snow in Tahoe this week! Happy New Year and thanks again.

 

post #18 of 26
Thread Starter 

I've been trying to find either S7 or JJ for demo but tough to locate. Any other thoughts on Armada JJ vs. the S7. I like to get into the chutes at Mt Rose and into Siilverado/KT22 runs at Squaw as examples. Does anyone have any thoughts on turnabiility in tight spots etc...that would be an advantage for the JJ or S7 in chutes or steeps.

 

Sounds like both skis can handle the groomers with a little snow on them just fine so not to concerned about that in general and not a priority.

 

Thanks again!

 

Lee

post #19 of 26
Staggerlee, you sound like a skinnier version of me - I'm the same age but about 60# heavier and ski the same places.
I have a pair of Mantras and a pair of the new and old goats, but on the really deep days I jump on my Kuros. You know the kind of days that on the flatter sections you can't maintain momentum to get back to the lift - well it doesn't happen much with 132mm under foot. With the rocker they are incredibly nimble in the trees and chutes and provide a stable platform to land any air you get (intentional or otherwise)! I'm on my third season with the Kuros and love them.

I sound like a Volkl homer, but it's more by accident (I can't pass up a good deal). The other skis mentioned above are great skis too, but give the volkl line a look. As you can tell I've bought into the quiver concept. I use the gotamas as my daily driver, the mantras on hard pack days, and the kuros on deep pow days. If you had to split the difference then the Katana would be a good choice.

Check out the demo center at kirkwood I think they carry the rossignol and the volkl lines.

Have a great season.
post #20 of 26
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Thanks for the info, all good stuff.

post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by staggerlee View Post

I've been trying to find either S7 or JJ for demo but tough to locate. Any other thoughts on Armada JJ vs. the S7. I like to get into the chutes at Mt Rose and into Siilverado/KT22 runs at Squaw as examples. Does anyone have any thoughts on turnabiility in tight spots etc...that would be an advantage for the JJ or S7 in chutes or steeps.

 

Sounds like both skis can handle the groomers with a little snow on them just fine so not to concerned about that in general and not a priority.

 

Thanks again!

 

Lee


Both the S7 and JJ handle tight chutes just fine. The JJ has a tighter turning radius and is lighter by a considerable amount. So that will come in handy if you're doing any billy goating around. The S7 will be more stable when going mach loony on a run out.

 

But in the end, we're splitting hairs. Both are great skis and very similar. I personally value lightness and have a penchant for buying from independent ski companies as that is where all the innovation is taking place these days. Corporate companies have stepped up their game as of recent and are "fast followers" in my book.

 

I'd demo both of them if you can. Beware though - finding JJ's in the 185 can be tough as they sell out very quickly.  Not sure on the S7's availability but you'll be paying full price either way. Whatever, you do, don't buy them short.

post #22 of 26

Staggerlee, send you a PM on S7 since I know how you ski etc., i.e. Big Sky.

post #23 of 26

I just skied both the Dynastar Huge Rocker and the Atomic Bent Chetler on a huge day, perferred both to the S7 in all but the untracked stuff.  Definitely worth considering either of those 2 skis.

post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 

Thanks Dawgcatcher, I demo'd the Brent Chelter last week on Tuesday at mt rose. The snow was wind blown but had some POW near the trees and on a few runs before it got skied off. They had great float, turned easily and were hard charging fast skis. i did'nt think I would handle anything but deep POW well on them but was pleasanty suprised when they turned smoothly on the fast run outs on harder snow and popped right over some chopped up snow as well. I am not clear about how they'd handle in chutes or tight spots or groomer runs with less snow, seemed like they'd need deep snow to handle, but that is what i wrote I am seeking. Thanks for the info!

post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by staggerlee View Post

I've been trying to find either S7 or JJ for demo but tough to locate. Any other thoughts on Armada JJ vs. the S7. I like to get into the chutes at Mt Rose and into Siilverado/KT22 runs at Squaw as examples. Does anyone have any thoughts on turnabiility in tight spots etc...that would be an advantage for the JJ or S7 in chutes or steeps.

 

Sounds like both skis can handle the groomers with a little snow on them just fine so not to concerned about that in general and not a priority.

 

Thanks again!

 

Lee


Both the S7 and JJ handle tight chutes just fine. The JJ has a tighter turning radius and is lighter by a considerable amount. So that will come in handy if you're doing any billy goating around. The S7 will be more stable when going mach loony on a run out.

 

But in the end, we're splitting hairs. Both are great skis and very similar. I personally value lightness and have a penchant for buying from independent ski companies as that is where all the innovation is taking place these days. Corporate companies have stepped up their game as of recent and are "fast followers" in my book.

 

I'd demo both of them if you can. Beware though - finding JJ's in the 185 can be tough as they sell out very quickly.  Not sure on the S7's availability but you'll be paying full price either way. Whatever, you do, don't buy them short.



Definately dont buy short

post #26 of 26
Thread Starter 

Has anyone ridden the 2011-12 S7 in a 188. They are now building them with the metal top sheet which should stiffen it up a little, better for run outs and high speed but maybe trading some turnability in the steep and tight or bumps? Conversely the rocker may equalize. I rode the Bent Chentlers and for a big wide ski, they handled really well. Any input is appreciated!

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