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Demo Day 2010 at Holiday Valley

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Hi guys, just did a full day of demoing at Holiday Valley on Saturday and figured I'd tell you all what I thought.  Skis tested in chronilogical order were: Volkl Kendo (177), Fischer Progressor 10+ (170), Fischer Motive 80 (175), Fischer non-FIS SL (hole-ski, 165), Head i.Magnum (no chip, 170), Kastle MX78 (176), and even a pair of Carbon EX (I think) Anton Gliders (who knows what length).  Conditions were great, very well groomed hardpack with only a few patches of ice.  Here's what I thought:

 

Volkl Kendo- Demoed these in a 177.  The first thing I noticed was that the ski was significantly more difficult to get on its edge than my 80 underfoot CX80's, despite the highly acclaimed wide ride bingings.  Once I got used to them though, THEY RIPPED.  Amazing edge hold, super stable, very very powerful ski, typical Volkl.  The downside was it really didn't seem like it could be a viable option for anything other than your typical on-piste runs.  Could they get through the trees?  Yeah, but not well.  Could they handle some pow?  Yeah, but only a limited amount.  And despite what you've heard, it's NOT an all-radius ski, meaning it would much rather be busting long GS turns at speed than anything else.  As if the angle required to turn these monsters wasn't enough, you need even more edge angle to even have a shot of executing some short-radius turns.  Lastly, crud busting was very good.  That's really about it.  Basically a really wide race ski that can dabble in other areas.  Probably an ideal groomer ski out west. 

 

Fischer Progressor 10+- Demoed these in a 170.  Really, really great ski.  As far as eastern groomers go, this ski does it all.  It can and will literally execute any turn you tell it to.  Not quite as quick and nimble as its predecessors, but still quick enough to throw down some slalom turns once in a while.  And what the Progressor 10+ loses in quickness due to its metal construction, it more than makes up far in the GS turns/ stability at speed arena.  This ski is solid.  It even did okay in some fresh snow laidened trees (the wider waist probably helped).  It is really the perfect east coast groomer ski.  All in all, it's what you've come to expect with the Progressor line, with a little more waist for some added versatility and a lot more stability at speed.

 

Fischer Motive 80- Demoed these in a 175.  As you read this post, I think you'll become aware of just how good Fischer's 2010-2011 line is.  The motive is no exception.  I really liked this skis balance of skills.  Could easily be an everyday bump/ tree ski, yet doesn't give up too much on the icy groomer common in the East.  Is it as good in bumps as its bump loving brother the Watea....no.  But it did very good in the bumps, and IMO isn't a complete liability to be skiing on hardpack.  Good edge hold, yet flexible enough to take into the bumps and trees with no hesitation.  This ski does have a speed limit, and feels rather dead when carving the groomers, so if you're not willing to sacrifice your 40 mph GS-turns, look elsewhere.  In the end, this ski really impressed me and actually might have a place in my quiver down the road.

 

Fischer non-FIS SL (hole ski)- Demoed these in a 165.  All I really have to say is wow.  I don't think I've ever had so much fun on a ski (I don't usually ski slaloms).  Held like glue, super easy turn initiation, I felt like a World Cupper shreddin' down the slalom course on these.  Downsides were that they didn't like to run straight (can be expected), they weren't the most forgiving ride, and they lacked a bit of stability at high speeds (but I think it was more that I went too small than that it wasn't stable).  I really liked the 165, but I think I would have LOVED the 170.  Ultimately, this is THE best ski (not necessarily Fischer, but just slalom in general) to own int the east, in the right conditions and on the right terrain.  Nothing can beat this ski on a plain, old East coast groomer.  The 170's could also be added to the quiver in the future.

 

Head i. Magnum (no chip unfortunately)- Demoed these in a 170.  Extremely powerful ski.  I was really surprised at the radius of the ski though, as I was expecting something similar to the Fischer SL's, but got something completely different.  They seemed willing to do the short radius turns, but surprisingly were just as content in long GS turns.  I actually did a run where I took 3 short radius turns and then was launched out of the third into the fourth.  From there on out it was GS turns all the way down.  As I was flying down the hill at speeds something like 45 mph, I felt remarkablly stable and controlled, and the skis held like a GS race ski.  The only downside I see in this ski is that its not quite content at the lower speeds and really didnt seem to have life until I was flying down the hill.  Some may disagree, but thats how they felt on me.  IMO it's very similar to a Volkl, specifically the Tigershark, as it's not always labeled as a "fun" ski, but extremely powerful and always gets the job done.  If you like speed, the Head i series is for you.

 

Kastle MX78- Demoed these in a 176.  Actually felt a lot like my CX80's.  Typical Austrian edge grip, stability, and performance.  Was surprised that they're considered an intermediate ski by some, as they did fine with everything I gave them.  Very smooth ski, won't really bite unless you ask it to.  Not a whole lot to say.  Definately geared towards the GS turns.  Perfect ski for those who want to carve it up, but not with having to put in a lot of effort.  Frontside ski though, don't expect it to perform in the bumps or trees, or pow for that matter.

 

Anton Gliders Carbon EX- Was shocked that they even had them, nevertheless were available to demo.  Don't know what size I skied them in tbh, but they were definately short.  Almost felt like snow blades.  But once I got them on the hill, they were great.  Don't be fooled by their size, these things are stable.  Will do any turn you ask of it, and do it well.  Feels very different on the snow than the longer carving skis I'm used to, but you just need to get used to their feel.  Gripped very well on the hard snow, and were just fine with running straight as well.  The folks at Anton Gliders are definately on to something here.  Didn't get a chance to ski them in the bumps, but I'm convinced they'd be fantastic.  Honestly can't think of any downsides, besides the price and the fact that they limit you to strictly hardpack due to their size.  Great way to end the day.

 

It ended up being an awesome day, and I got to try everything I was interested in.  If you have any questions, comments, or opinions, feel free to post.

 

Tyler


Edited by eastskier44 - 12/20/10 at 2:48pm
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C'mon guys lol.  This may not be as impressive as Dawgcatching's reviews, but someone's gotta have somethin' to say.  Can anyone agree, disagree, or talk about any of these.  I'd really be interested to see what you all thought.  Don't mean to be pushy on the replies, but I've gotten much more replies on much less interesting stuff than this.

 

Tyler 

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I take an interest in all reviews of skis that I might try some day.  So thanks for posting your observations.

 

But agreement or disagreement with YOUR OPINIONS aren't so interesting.  So lack of response shouldn't be taken as evidence that your reviews weren't worthy.

 

(OTOH, stirring things up is always fun, so I can see why you'd want replies.)

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Wrong forum!  Plus everyone is heading out on break, and likely skiing or getting ready to do so. 

 

Great reviews, BTW.  Too bad you missed the Motive 84: it steps up the 80's performance another level, and gives you that 40mph+ headroom.  That Progressor 10+ is pretty sweet, isn't it!  I am glad you liked the iTitan and Kendo-they are both well done. It is great to see some reviews of Fischer: they have a complete lineup that no one is talking about. 

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  I am glad you liked the iTitan and Kendo-they are both well done. It is great to see some reviews of Fischer: they have a complete lineup that no one is talking about. 
 
Hopefully a mod will move this to the gear review section where it should get the interest it deserves.
I believe that Eastskier was on the iMagnum and not the Titan. Your iMagnum may not be the chip, but, it has Head's newer chip concept introduced this year, now called KERS.Many who ski the east are very interested in trying these skis. Early reviews indicate that KERS comes alive at speed only and you seem to confirm. Magnum's are more GS oriented and not sure if the comparison to the Fisher's is apples to apples [ Edit, did some research and the Magnum and Progressor 10+ have similar dimensions so it's a very fair comparison]. Head makes so many different, often competing, skis, it's tough to keep them straight and get a good review on some.
I'll be at a demo day in early Jan and hope both Fishers will be there.
 An opinion is that threads about east coast  carving skis don't get the buzz generated by wider skis. No longer on the leading edge of technology. Thanks for the review, it seems fair and balance to me. Makes me want to get on some skis.

Edited by Living Proof - 12/23/10 at 9:36am
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Holiday Valley Demo Day...another point of view. As I work p/t at a ski shop, rather than focus on skis I would want to buy, I tried to ski as many models that we carry in the shop as possible so I focused on those models.

I was bummed as the ski I most wanted to try was the Kendo, but Tyler hogged it all day and I didn't get a chance to try it. mad.gif

Nordica Fire Arrow 80 170cm - I really wanted to like this ski (aside from the silly graphics) as our Nordica rep raved about it saying it was his favorite ski in the line. Well, it did nothing for me. In spite of its relatively short radius (14.5) it didn't seem to be that quick edge to edge, but did feel ok at speed. I just don't think I like those big oversized shovels. I will pass. C

Nordica Hot Rod Tempest 170cm - Another ski I wanted to try as my last all mountain ski was its predesesor the HR Nitrous and it is marketed against my current all mountain ski the AC30 which I love. Now I had the 1st generation Nitrous before they split it into 2 models the CA and TI which I found to be a bit too soft for my 195lbs. The Tempest carried my weight better and actually felt very similar to my AC30 (not surprising) but with slightly less energy. But it did everything I asked of it and left me with the impression that I could live with it as a daily driver. Solid B+

Blizzard Mag 7.6 IQ 170cm - We sell a lot of these in the shop and is a fravorite of our shop owner as is the 8.1. Well I tried the 8.1 last year and did not bond with it at all. Surprise surprise, I liked the 7.6. What a fun ski! It is marketed towards int/adv level skiers but I think it would be an excellent choice for adv/exp looking for a fun and responsive eastern carver. Very good edge hold and the narrower tail released much easier than the well reviewed 8.1 for us die hard old school tail skidders. Another solid B+

Elan Waveflex 78 TI 176cm - Probably my biggest surprise and the first Elan I have ever skied. Another ski undermarketed to int/adv skiers. This ski rocks! Very stable at speed with any turn shape. Very good in the few bumps I could find. Suited my old school style well. Very intuitive and easy to ski hard. The only ski I tried that I would consider adding to my quiver for eastern groomers and mild off piste excursions.

I know I tried at least one other ski, but it must have been underwhelming as I can't remember what it was.

Rick G
post #8 of 15

i was there that day too and was disappointed by some of my "must try" skis, but was most suprised by the fischer motive 76. another ski that's marketed for the intermediate skier, but advanced skiers that are looking for a fun ski all day ski will really like.  it was just a fun ski to be on, so much so that i tried buying them.    i compared it to the salomon xwing tornado, rossi avenger 76, motive 80 and kastle mx78.  after calling every dealer in ny with no luck,  ended up ordering a pair from my local shop.  i guess if someone steals my skis and i catch up with them, there won't be much of an argument as to who they belong to, haha.

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Thanx for the input guys, and I might have posted this in the wrong place or at the wrong time.  But I'm not sure they had the Motive 84's to tell you the truth Dawgcatching.  But your assessment is correct, I'd love to ski those things.  As to Living Proof, I completely agree with you and your notion that east coast carvers have lost some of their luster (not in terms of production or sales, just in terms of interest from the ski world).  And sorry you didn't get to try those Rick G, I just walked over to the Volkl tent at around 10 or 11 and they had two pairs of them I believe.  I did like 4 runs on the Kendos and returned them, and the Volkl guy seemed to be pushing the Bridges of all things.  I'm really surprised you couldn't get a few runs on them at least.  But IMO you wouldn't be gaining a whole lot by adding the Kendos anyway.

 

Tyler

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Thanx for the input guys, and I might have posted this in the wrong place or at the wrong time.  But I'm not sure they had the Motive 84's to tell you the truth Dawgcatching.  But your assessment is correct, I'd love to ski those things.  As to Living Proof, I completely agree with you and your notion that east coast carvers have lost some of their luster (not in terms of production or sales, just in terms of interest from the ski world).  And sorry you didn't get to try those Rick G, I just walked over to the Volkl tent at around 10 or 11 and they had two pairs of them I believe.  I did like 4 runs on the Kendos and returned them, and the Volkl guy seemed to be pushing the Bridges of all things.  I'm really surprised you couldn't get a few runs on them at least.  But IMO you wouldn't be gaining a whole lot by adding the Kendos anyway.

 

Tyler

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You know what they say, timing is everything and my timing must have been off. Really want to ski them just so I could tell customers that I had.

Out of curiosity, do you belong to one of the Cleveland Metro Ski Clubs? I race in their adult program First race at Kissing Bridge in 2 weeks.

PM me if you like.

Rick G
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I was there as well, I am surprised on how many different skis you were able to try. I didn't demo anything as I was afraid that if I did I would buy something.  My daughter (13) demo 3 ski: k2 tre luv, nordica infinite and fischer (don't recall but was a very light ski).  The main purpose was to find out what size would suit her best as we already decided that tru luv was the was to go, either 149 or 156. She didn't care for the fischer but like the nordica but like the tru luv even more.  The only problem was when I went back to the local ski shop they were out of 156.  The second shop didn't have them either, both shops contacted k2 and were told that they are not making anymore this year :( .  Thankfully I found one online and I am just waiting for them now. 

 

I don't like the fact that demo days are so late in year and by that time most of those skis are already sold out at the shops.

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i too was at HV demo day.  i tried almost all the skis i wanted to demo before buying this year, so it was a good day. i ended up falling in love with the fischer motive 76.  i called every shop in the state, but noone had it, so i ordered it from my local shop.  honestly, i hate ski reviews, be it by magazine or another person; pretty hypocritical because i've posted some here myself, but in think that manufacturers have decided to offer so many variations of metal, foam and other materials that it's almost impossible to go off of what someone else likes unless they have the same form as you and can read your mind when your actually skiing.  like alot of people, i've bought skis without trying them out first, and have willed and lied myself into liking them for a long time, but really, there's so much variation in skis today that i don't see how you cannot get exactly what you want. 

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Mark Tebor, I agree that it can be tough having demo days so late, but resorts like HV don't really have a choice.  Even if they get pounded with snow in early December, as they did this year, it's still difficult to have a respectable amount of runs open for such a big event.  Last year at the same time something like 20 runs were open if memory serves me right.  And I do know what you're talking about with the shops.  Dekdebruns and MS&G really seemed to be picked over a bit.  Good luck with the skis.    

 

Skeeter. I'm glad you liked the Motives, I skied the 80s and was also really impressed.  I actually bought my CX80's w/o demoing them of all things, but I tried several similar skis.  Luckily though the shop assured me that if I didnt like them I could return them and get another pair.  But, even though there's so many types of skis on the market now, no one will ever get exactly what they want. b/c everyone's dream ski is the one-ski quiver that can take you anywhere.  But I see your point, if the buyer is realistic and can reason with himself or herself, he or she definately should be able to find what they want. 

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wella said east skier.  i guess i was just meloncholy on ski reviews.  still am.  demo day is also a good way to weed out the doucher ski reps too.  sorry guys.

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