Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Originally Posted by Rick
In a NASTAR course.
Originally Posted by justanotherskipro
or a juniors practice course.
Which you are both undoubtedly very far beyond.
I'm not saying this to be insulting, but to encourage those who coach those tactics more than actual technique to see that most skiers are lacking the ability and strength to properly apply things like inclination and actually have it improve their skiing.
EDIT: Fundamentals - especially in this case are likely much more beneficial... Inclination and pivoting are not fundamentals that need to be taught.
Inclination is not something only associated with pivoting. It's very much a part of high speed arc to arc carving too. Look at my photos, it's consistently and obviously there. The beginner level carving done on 11m shorty skis on gentle terrain may need early angultion, because of the slow speeds and minor forces present, but more expert level carving done at higher speeds benefits from letting the upper body dive into the top of the turn, delaying the angulation for later in the turn when the edge angles grow.
Pivoting is an element of technique, just as are multiple other skills in all the various technical areas of the sport. The idea that any skill in skiing just comes natural is silly. Pivoting into a carve is something that can be done well, or can be totally botched, just like any other element of ski technique execution. With WC racers needing to do so much of it on a trip down the race course, they'd better have their execution dialed in. It's the differences in their ability to pivot precisely, and feather cleanly, that is part of what separates the winners from the also rans. Some over pivot,,, some pivot too early,,, some feather harshly and dump speed. Those are some of the fine points that separate quality from more substandard executions. Like anything else, improvement comes with practice.
When should coaches focus on high level pivoting and inclination? Of course, it should come only after a full basket of foundation skills has been honed, in all the technical areas of the sport. This includes quality arc to arc carving, which also comes later in the learning cycle. Inefficient, rotation powered tail tossing is a pervasive part of way too many recreational skiers default skiing. That's not at all similar to the refined pivoting I'm speaking about, and should be one of the first things to be addressed and corrected when working on a students foundation skills.
That said, let us not close our eyes to what is actually happening in World Cup level skiing, or try to paint it as something it's not, out of a desire to get students to focus on foundation skills. It's disingenuous, inaccurate, and serves no legitimate purpose. Better to be honest in our portrayal of what expert skiing looks like, then focus our efforts when interacting with our students on showing them the road to get there. If you know the path well, and know how to lead a student down it, their focus becomes so intense on the journey, the destination has no chance of becoming a distraction.