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So I bought myself a pair of Line Prophet 100's now I need a pair of bindings, any suggestions? 

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Dukes if you think youll try back country or Marker Schizos hands down if you go up on a lift!! I have the Schizo on some JJ,s and they are very cool. They look great and function well. They are beefier than a demo binding but adjust fore & aft and size wise also. That gives ya some real fine tuning ability. Just mount centered so you have equal fore and aft untill you find the best spot for you. Your buddies can try them out also for a run or two. Nice Ski BTW ive been eye balling some at our shop when I go in. Let us know how you love them once youve skied them a few times.

post #3 of 28
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Dukes if you think youll try back country or Marker Schizos hands down if you go up on a lift!! I have the Schizo on some JJ,s and they are very cool. They look great and function well. They are beefier than a demo binding but adjust fore & aft and size wise also. That gives ya some real fine tuning ability. Just mount centered so you have equal fore and aft untill you find the best spot for you. Your buddies can try them out also for a run or two. Nice Ski BTW ive been eye balling some at our shop when I go in. Let us know how you love them once youve skied them a few times.

Dude, you don't center mount Prophets like you would a JJ. SO your advice is beyond horrible. The Schizo is such a niche binding. the amount of people on them is miniscule. They are gimmicky at best.

 

SkiingPilot should be looking at stuff like the Rossi/Look/Dynastar PX line, Any of the Solly STH line with the driver toe, or the Marker royal family bindings like the Jester, or Griffon. There are other quality bindings around. But these are what you will see commonly at just about any retailer.

 

 


 

post #4 of 28

Need more info.  Weight and ability would be good.  I have Griffons on my S7's...light and durable.  There are a lot of different binding out there that accomidate different skiiers.

post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by SkiingPilot View Post

So I bought myself a pair of Line Prophet 100's now I need a pair of bindings, any suggestions? 

 

I bought some 100's on sale last spring and put these on em...

 

  http://www.levelninesports.com/Head-Railflex-Rfd-14-Silver-Blk-Adjustable-Ski-Bindings


I don't tour or huck, just wanted a ski for powder and generally heavier conditions. These bindings adjust easily to different boot sizes in case you ever want to share your skis, and they have the Railflex +/-1.5cm adjustment, so you can play around with the effective mount point. I've only skied them twice so far, last weekend in Breckenridge when there was 12/14" powder. They were great.

post #6 of 28

There are no bad bindings but some unsuitable bindings.  Find some where the brakes fit the width of your skis.  I like to have the DIN range so my release is somewhere in the middle third of the range of that binding...I don't want max DIN and my setting way at the bottom, nor minimum DIN with my setting at the top.  Any brand you get will be OK...Marker, Tyrolia (Head, Fischer), Salomon, Atomic, Look/Rossi/Dynastar, etc.

post #7 of 28
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Need more info.  Weight and ability would be good.  I have Griffons on my S7's...light and durable.  There are a lot of different binding out there that accomidate different skiiers.


Sorry about that, I am 180 lbs, skiing for 15 years, I am also pretty aggressive when it comes to skiing.

 



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Dukes if you think youll try back country or Marker Schizos hands down if you go up on a lift!! I have the Schizo on some JJ,s and they are very cool. They look great and function well. They are beefier than a demo binding but adjust fore & aft and size wise also. That gives ya some real fine tuning ability. Just mount centered so you have equal fore and aft untill you find the best spot for you. Your buddies can try them out also for a run or two. Nice Ski BTW ive been eye balling some at our shop when I go in. Let us know how you love them once youve skied them a few times.

Dude, you don't center mount Prophets like you would a JJ. SO your advice is beyond horrible. The Schizo is such a niche binding. the amount of people on them is miniscule. They are gimmicky at best.

 

SkiingPilot should be looking at stuff like the Rossi/Look/Dynastar PX line, Any of the Solly STH line with the driver toe, or the Marker royal family bindings like the Jester, or Griffon. There are other quality bindings around. But these are what you will see commonly at just about any retailer.

 

 


 

I have also heard not to mount on the center for Prophets, heard about Dukes, Jester, and Griffons (do they come with a wider break?) not to keen on the Schizo's, want to keep the binding simple and free of moving parts, yes the moving around of the bindings would be nice, but its a complicated system, and I would like to keep it simple.
 

post #8 of 28

Shortlist, in no particular order except that I like Look/Rossi turntable heels ;-)

 

Look Pivot14/Rossi FKS140

Look PX14/Rossi Freeski140

Tyrolia Mojo15/Head Peak15

Marker Jester/Griffon

Solly STH14 Driver

 

You could almost certainly use a 12DIN binding too, but all of these are bomber bindings with top safety features.

post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 

turntable heels?

post #10 of 28
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turntable heels?


Check out 'Pivot Technology' here..

 

http://www.look-bindings.com/EN/US/technologies.html

 

The heel on the Pivot/FKS bindings rotates on a turntable. The bumpf says that this reduces the torque on the tibia. The experience is that they stay on when they should due to excellent elasticity and recovery, but they release cleanly when they need to. The toe on these is the same as the equivalent PX toe (full-drive on the 14 and race on the 18).

post #11 of 28
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Are there any reviews in the Pivot/FKSbindings? Anyone who uses them to give some more info on them?

post #12 of 28
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Are there any reviews in the Pivot/FKSbindings? Anyone who uses them to give some more info on them?



Dunno, but they seem super sketchy to me.

 

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post #13 of 28
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Are there any reviews in the Pivot/FKSbindings? Anyone who uses them to give some more info on them?



Dunno, but they seem super sketchy to me.

 

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Same here.

post #14 of 28
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Are there any reviews in the Pivot/FKSbindings? Anyone who uses them to give some more info on them?



"Only" 900 threads using Rossi SKF as search criteria.

 

GREAT binding but heavier than normal Rossi PX, and no fore/aft adjustment (I like because I share skis with my kids).

post #15 of 28
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Looked at some of those threads and I usually see some members demanding that they sell them their bindings and start talking about why they love, hard to get a decent review out of that. Also heard that big mountain skiers do not prefer those bindings, any reasons as to why?

post #16 of 28
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Looked at some of those threads and I usually see some members demanding that they sell them their bindings and start talking about why they love, hard to get a decent review out of that. Also heard that big mountain skiers do not prefer those bindings, any reasons as to why?



See post 10 above for reasons why they work. The PSK's are a religion to big mountain skiers (you think they brought them back for Stratton gapers?) - BUT, the old ones didn't self center, so if you lost one on the steeps they were a PITA to put back on (like I remember one day in Lech a couple of decades ago.........).

 

Anyway, I now have PX's on most everything I have, except for the 2 pairs of ObSETHed's, where I have the Railflex mentioned in post #5 for the same reasons - adjustability to different boot sizes AND ability to change where you're standing on the ski to account for different conditions.

post #17 of 28
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Pivot 18 or Pivot 14? I am gonna get them with wide breaks considering that I am going to mount them on Prophet 100's.

post #18 of 28

Pivots being either 14 or 18's are great bindings. They actually weigh less than a comparable PX although they do have less travel for adjustment. The Pivot (along with Salomon Drivers) are THE most proven binding design in skiing with it's heritage going back to the 70's. The short mounting distance and lateral rigidity make it one of the most desired bindings for performance skiers. 

post #19 of 28
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Pivot 18 or Pivot 14? I am gonna get them with wide breaks considering that I am going to mount them on Prophet 100's.


Depends on where you set your binding normally. Try to get in the center of the range.

 

Standard brakes only fit to about 80cm, so wide brakes will be required.

post #20 of 28
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Pivot 18 or Pivot 14? I am gonna get them with wide breaks considering that I am going to mount them on Prophet 100's.


Depends on where you set your binding normally. Try to get in the center of the range.

 

Standard brakes only fit to about 80cm, so wide brakes will be required.

 

Yeah, I was thinking about getting the Pivot 18 XXL considering that they already come with a wider break.

 

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Pivots being either 14 or 18's are great bindings. They actually weigh less than a comparable PX although they do have less travel for adjustment. The Pivot (along with Salomon Drivers) are THE most proven binding design in skiing with it's heritage going back to the 70's. The short mounting distance and lateral rigidity make it one of the most desired bindings for performance skiers. 

 

Not really worried about the adjustment part. That is nice to hear that Pivot's are one of the most proven designs, found out my dad used to have a pair of Look Pivots on his old skis, but that was way back in day. :) This binding is sounding better and better every time I read about it. Thank you for not hoarding over the thread and saying that you have a pair and want to buy the pair that I will get.
 

post #21 of 28

I'm in a similar situation and need to find some bindings.  picked up some flat 179 icelantic pilgrims this morning for a steal.

 

1.  know nothing about bindings basically

2.  5'11, 195 lbs, intermediate skier.  bored on blues, blacks are no prob., double blacks i can get down but it is not a pretty sight.  no park, no switch, no cliffs, no jumps

3.  budget: just got new boots with custom footbeds yesterday.  wasn't cheap.  I'm gunning for 100-150.  max budget is 200.  I'm gonna troll online so I'm up for hearing about more expensive bindings in case I can find them somewhere cheap.

 

I'm curious about:

 

what DIN should I be setting my bindings to? 8? 9?

 

whats the difference between the marker squire and the marker griffon aside from the max DIN being 11 and 12?  For someone my size is it worth spending a little more to get the griffons?  I believe I have ruled out the jesters unless i miraculously find a pair for ~200.

 

I really only know about the marker royal family line.  I know that these are safe bindings to get (aside from maybe the Squire not having enough DIN for someone my size) and would serve me well.  I'm mostly curious about what other bindings I should be looking at that are more reasonable ?  I have looked into the salomon z10Ti /z12 Ti and they don't seem worth the marginal price savings over the griffon.  others ive looked into a little are look px12 and salomon sth14 but don't know much about them

 

thanks

post #22 of 28

Adopt the same strategy that you did with the skis, analyze and agonize for two weeks, then buy some entirely different piece of crud that's cheap.

 

SJ

post #23 of 28

That made me chuckle. 

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I'm inexperienced, I state that in my posts.  I honestly don't feel that I could properly assess a ski and write a reivew, as I sure you would be quick to point out if I attempted to do so on here.  So tell me, with all your infinite wisdom, would I (as in me, not you) be able to even notice the difference between the line prophet 90 and the pilgrim?  Right now I ski on 6 year old, 100 dollar skis from sniagrab.  I'm also paying off student loans, and heading back for four more years of school and loans in august.  so money is a consideration.  I also happen to have a severe addiction to another expensive sport - cycling.  I took the advice of many people on here (including you) and had my boots done properly.  The boots cost a lot more than I expected when I set out to upgrade my ski gear.  That limited my selection on skis.

 

I spent every waking second the past few months researching the icelantic line, volkl mid fats, line prophet series, rossi mid fats, blizzard magnum, head peak, 4fronts, and basically every ski ever mentioned on here in the numerous threads for the intermediate mid fat all-mountain.  Just because I didn't ask epic ski forum about a piece of gear doesn't mean I didn't research it.  I don't post every episode of verbal diarrhea I have on here (like others).  I eliminated some skis from my list that I felt wouldn't suit me or the type of skiing I'm looking to do, then I set out to find a good deal on the list of skis I had deemed would be good for me.  I was set to go with the prophets because I was finding them for at least $200 less than others on my list and I honestly believe that it would be best to save my money for the next set of skis I get, when I am more experienced and can accurately assess a ski.

 

I got the pilgrims for 175.  I was looking at 400 plus for anything else on my list.  new in the wrapper, handmade in my great state, 2 year warranty.  Skis that were specifically designed for the snow conditions at colorado resorts, which is where I just so happen to be using them.  at that price, I can mount them with better bindings than I had previously hoped for, and still sell them used at the end of the year for around what I paid for the skis plus bindings if they are truly pieces of crud as you suggest.  This doesn't mean I believe the pilgrims are the best skis for me.  But I challenge someone to find a brand new, under warranty, one ski quiver that is better suited to colorado resort skiing for less than that (about 400 with something like marker griffons)

 

I'm surprised so many intermediate people are dead set on a one ski quiver because of price, then buy a 800+ dollar setup, when careful looking could get them two sets, or they could use the difference to pay for much-needed lessons, more ski days, etc.

 

 

now to turn my attention to SJ

 

perhaps I should adopt your strategy and spam every post with something useless.

 

I've read a lot of pretty old posts on here.  posts where SJ and anothers are debating the path of skis into the future, and time has revealed the poor advice that SJ has given many OPs.  more often than not SJ completely ignores the situation and question of the OP to talk about his 20-something ski quiver, which sounds like a chef having 20 different knives to carve a turkey.  Maybe you could tell me how I should get some 65 mm carver when breck has seen 3+ feet in the past 10 days.  It's not about the skis, man.  Do you have trouble skiing when your torso is not at a 90 degree angle to your thighs?  If so, I know a surgeon or two who could remove the 32.5 mondo shell you have inserted in your ar$e.

 

worst of all, everyone gets an annoying email in their mailbox letting them know that SJ is wasting their time, yet again.  So in the future SJ, when you are about to post something, read it over.  If it has nothing to do with the thread or a question asked, and provides no insight to on-lookers, then save everyone some time.  And at the very least be polite to people.  you are one of the only people in the hundreds of threads I have read who consistently degrades legitimate people who have come here seeking advice.  a stark contrast to the otherwise friendly and helpful people on epicski.

 

I apologize for anyone who got an extra email notifying them about this ridiculous post. 

post #25 of 28
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Adopt the same strategy that you did with the skis, analyze and agonize for two weeks, then buy some entirely different piece of crud that's cheap.


SJ, I've enjoyed reading many of your posts, both for their informed content as well as the author's sense of humor, but I've also seen you take shots at people who've picked up ski gear, new or used, for cheap, and it's unbecoming, and I would suggest counterproductive to your intent as a businessman to market what you have to offer to this forum. It's like you have this evil twin who just can't help himself.

 

Just like mine, who just had to make this post.
 

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If so, I know a surgeon or two who could remove the 32.5 mondo shell you have inserted in your ar$e.


That made me chuckle.  ;-)

post #26 of 28

Icelantic makes a solid ski. Don't let anyone talk down your choice because they don't sell it in their shop.

post #27 of 28

Oh boy, oh boy................................popcorn.gif.............................where's Finndog?................................

 

Oh boy, oh boy...........

 

Anyway, to the OP, just buy the Pivot 18's and be done with it. Oh, and it's a BRAKE, not a BREAK.

 

 

 

Now, back to the Icelantics....popcorn.gif  duel.gif

post #28 of 28

I mounted Griffons on my S7 because i found them for a killer price and they are super light.  I would actually be happy with any binding...money should be spent on the ski's, not the latest and greatest binding. 

 

Just make sure you get one that fits your weight and level, you can't really go wrong with any binding. 

 

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