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Should I go for Stöckli Stormrider XXL or Kästle MX78 ... need some advice

post #1 of 13
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I need new Telemark skis for this season and I'm looking at either the Stöckli Stormrider XXL or the Kästle MX78. The skis will be used with the NTN binding system. For the moment I use Völkl Mantra, but I am not comfortable with them. They are a bit to wide (96mm) for my taste, maybe a bit to heavy and to long (184cm = approx. 6'). Basically, just to much ski for me ...
My weight is 66kg (145.5 lbs) and 180cm (approx. 5' 11'') long. I will be using the skis
approx. 70% on piste and rest off piste. I like to carve, in addition to do jump/quick turns on narrow and steep slopes. I would like to have a radius of approx. 20m on the new skis.

Stormrider VXL and Kästle MX88 could also be alternatives.

Dos anyone have some experience with the above mentioned skis and can give me some tips and directions?

Thanks, Eirik

post #2 of 13

I've been skiing a pair of Kastle MX78s for the last two seasons.  The best all around ski I've been on.  It's a versatile ski that feels smooth and comfortable on and off piste.  If I could only have one ski ... this would be it.  I'm not using the ski for telemark; though I'm about 70% on piste as well at 5'11" and 160 lbs.  I do prefer the MX78 until the snow is well at or above the knee, and I've heard the same from a few others that like me prefer to be down in the snow.

 

I just joined EPIC as I'm looking to perhaps pick up a pair of Kastle RX12s ... as the MX78s have made me appreciate just how much fun carving up the groomers at high speed is ...

post #3 of 13

Both are superb, but neither the VXL or the MX78 are light skis. Not a tele guy, but the ones I see tend to be on lighter sticks. 

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I've been skiing a pair of Kastle MX78s for the last two seasons.  The best all around ski I've been on.  It's a versatile ski that feels smooth and comfortable on and off piste.  If I could only have one ski ... this would be it.  I'm not using the ski for telemark; though I'm about 70% on piste as well at 5'11" and 160 lbs.  I do prefer the MX78 until the snow is well at or above the knee, and I've heard the same from a few others that like me prefer to be down in the snow.

 

I just joined EPIC as I'm looking to perhaps pick up a pair of Kastle RX12s ... as the MX78s have made me appreciate just how much fun carving up the groomers at high speed is ...

PM me-I got an extra pair by accident and was going to ship them back to Kastle. 176's.  
 

post #5 of 13

Man, I don't tele, but for alpine, you definitely have it figured out!  Kastle and Stockli are the cream of the crop right now.  I owned an MX78 last season, love the VXL and XXL, and also have an XXXL that I ski on. MX88 is awesome too.  But, at least the Kastle seem a bit stiff for tele.  Maybe the FX series would be better for tele?  The XXL and VXL are both softer than the Kastle stuff. I know guys around here who tele on alpine gear tend to like stuff like a Fischer Watea or Elan Apex-Spire; still high performance, but a touch softer in flex. 

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I bought the XXL for AT duty a few years ago and love it; not too much sidecut, so it doesn't get caught up on uneven surfaces (probably part of the reason you don't like the Mantra), enough float for all but the deepest days, pretty light but still capable of busting crud.  Certainly worthy of your consideration.

post #7 of 13
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Thanks for the replies. I have still not decided but I am leaning towards the XXL.

 

post #8 of 13

Note that the Stockli XXL is not a wood core Stockli so its feel is a bit lighter and a little less damp than the VXL and others based on that construction.  I actually think that would probably work toward your favor for telemark purposes.  I'm just wondering if you're going a bit too narrow.  At 80mm underfoot the XXL is quite a bit narrower than the Mantra.  I don't think the VXL is strong candidate either based on your description of your skiing style.  I think you should seriously look into the Elans as suggested by dawgcatching.  They're a nice compromise from the skis you were originally considering and I think would be a better match.

post #9 of 13

Dawg, I thought the Kastles were walking out the door (so to speak).  Why would you ship a pair of 78s back to them?

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Note that the Stockli XXL is not a wood core Stockli so its feel is a bit lighter and a little less damp than the VXL and others based on that construction. 

 

 

Pretty sure the XXL is the Iso core, which is a wood-synthetic vertical laminate.

 

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 

From the Stöckli page it says wood core on the VXL and laminated fiberglass core on the XXL. Elan could of course be an alternative, but I have difficulty to get hold of them where I live.

I actually thought that the Kastle skis, MX78 or MX88, had a bit softer flex than the XXL and VXL from Stöckli. My mistake redface.gif.

 

Since there are so many choices out there I might just end up buying one of the above and test some other skis during the season (maybe during the week in Zermatt in February).

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Dawg, I thought the Kastles were walking out the door (so to speak).  Why would you ship a pair of 78s back to them?


It was a pair of Kastle RXs (same ski as this years RX12) in 176.  I bought them and they're scheduled to arrive tomorrow.  So I guess, instead of walking out ... they were shipped out the door.  wink.gif

post #13 of 13

Oooh!  Nice skis.  I managed to get a couple of runs on 170cm RXs in July.  Terrific ski.

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