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Season Pass at Copper for $99 -- good only on days 4+ inches; also a Steamboat/WP deal

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Crazy good deal announced yesterday:

 

Its $99 Snow Day Pass offers unrestricted lift access any day it snows at least 4 inches. Copper Mountain spokesman David Roth says the resort has had nine days so far this season with that much new snow.

 

The pass also offers free skiing on Super Bowl Sunday and April 15, no matter what the weather is like.

 

Also Monday, Steamboat and Winter Park announced sale of a pass good for two visits during the season at each ski resort for $199. Single-day tickets for someone who walks up to a ticket window at Winter Park are $87. Single-day, walk-up tickets are $85 at Steamboat, but that rises to $97 on Saturday


Read more: New $99 Copper pass offers skiing on big snow days - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_16848836#ixzz186Qm24iL
 

This is a great idea for someone who has another pass but wouldn't mind a few less-crowded powder days (ahem, Vail and Breck skiers) -- as a Copper passholder, not sure I like it so much. ;-)  I wonder how much underreporting this will lead to, lol.
 

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They already underreport, at least according to my eyeballing of the snow stake cam.  Saturday, they reported 9 overnight, but eyballing the snow stake cam, it looked more like 11 and possibly 12.  Same sort of thing Sunday.

 

That being said, I don't think these gimmicky deals are going to attract much business.  Copper has a real competitive problem with the Epic pass, and untill they reposition themselves, get more realistic about the cross-price elasticity with respect to the Vail Resorts passes, and focus on their demographic, we will be able to enjoy a great mountain with few people on it.

 

Mike

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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Crazy good deal announced yesterday:

 

Also Monday, Steamboat and Winter Park announced sale of a pass good for two visits during the season at each ski resort for $199. Single-day tickets for someone who walks up to a ticket window at Winter Park are $87. Single-day, walk-up tickets are $85 at Steamboat, but that rises to $97 on Saturday


I reported that yesterday in this thread.  I included a few more details on the 4by40 Pass from Mistalynn Lee.  http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/98801/save-money-at-steamboat-winter-park-on-lift-tickets-lodging-with-new-4by40-pass-199

 

There will NOT be a Pow Pow Platter Pass this season.

post #4 of 12
Looks like Copper just started selling the powder day pass for a liMited time for 2011-12. some locals definitely took advantage of this last year. I had a full pass, but road the bus and lift with some who had the 4 inch pass. they definitely got their 99 worth!
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Last week I got an email to complete a survey from Vail Resorts on season passes.  Basically presented with a variety of pass combos with different prices, blackout days, etc. and asked to indicate likelyhood of purchasing it.  One thread running through the various options was NOT including A-Basin in the mix and what if there was a Copper pass linked with A-Basin.  Sounds like they maybe having trouble coming to a new agreement with A-Basin.

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Last week I got an email to complete a survey from Vail Resorts on season passes.  Basically presented with a variety of pass combos with different prices, blackout days, etc. and asked to indicate likelyhood of purchasing it.  One thread running through the various options was NOT including A-Basin in the mix and what if there was a Copper pass linked with A-Basin.  Sounds like they maybe having trouble coming to a new agreement with A-Basin.



I got that too. Copper plus ABasin would make me very very happy. 

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Can someone explain the history of A-Basin to me?  I read something about Vail resorts having to divest themselves of ownership due to trust considerations or something?

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Can someone explain the history of A-Basin to me?  I read something about Vail resorts having to divest themselves of ownership due to trust considerations or something?

 

To get technical:
 

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-1997-07-22/html/97-19164.htm

 

How much of the history do you want? Keystone and ABasin used to be owned by the same company. When I was a kid, you skied them both on the same lift ticket, and a shuttle ran between the two areas (about 10  min apart). In the late 90s, Vail decided to buy Breck, Keystone, and ABasin -- and yes, antitrust flags were raised,  and Vail had to sell off ABasin.  They do obviously have a season pass relationship with ABasin, but I'm not sure about the ins and outs of that. Dundee owns both ABasin and Bear Valley, CA.

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What goes on in Colorado?  They give DISCOUNTS on powder days?  You're kidding, right?

 

Around here, anyway, powder days bring out everybody and their uncle.  The parking lot is near full before the lifts turn and it's a feeding frenzy. If you want to ski uncrowded slopes you had better wait for a day when it hasn't snowed recently.

 

However, the powder hounds often don't get out of bed for only four inches.  They start showing up in large numbers for six or more.

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What goes on in Colorado?  They give DISCOUNTS on powder days?  You're kidding, right?

 

Around here, anyway, powder days bring out everybody and their uncle.  The parking lot is near full before the lifts turn and it's a feeding frenzy. If you want to ski uncrowded slopes you had better wait for a day when it hasn't snowed recently.

 

However, the powder hounds often don't get out of bed for only four inches.  They start showing up in large numbers for six or more.



 

Well when you have ~20,000 thousand skiable acres spread across 8 ski areas within ~100 miles of Denver which is smaller than Seattle you get a lot of competition.  Copper is competing against the VR monster that controls or provides access to 5 of those areas on 1 season pass which everybody and their extended families owns.  Copper is offering this to try entice some of those people who will be driving past Copper on their way to stand in lift lines at Vail to stop and try some uncrowded skiing in the hopes that they will switch passes to skip the crowds.

 

 

sshhh...don't tell anybody about the lack of crowds at Copperwink.gif

post #11 of 12

Still don't understand why the owner of Copper (POWDR Corp.) doesn't get on the multi-area pass bandwagon.  They own Copper, Park City, Mt. Bachelor and Killington plus a few smaller resorts.  I have a Killington pass and would love a connection with Copper as I spend three weeks in Summit County each February.   Right now they don't even give me the deals they offer to Denverites.  So I spend my money on a Vail Resorts pass.

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They already underreport, at least according to my eyeballing of the snow stake cam.  Saturday, they reported 9 overnight, but eyballing the snow stake cam, it looked more like 11 and possibly 12.  Same sort of thing Sunday.

 

That being said, I don't think these gimmicky deals are going to attract much business.  Copper has a real competitive problem with the Epic pass, and untill they reposition themselves, get more realistic about the cross-price elasticity with respect to the Vail Resorts passes, and focus on their demographic, we will be able to enjoy a great mountain with few people on it.

 

Mike


I don't know, it sounds kind of intriguing. Considering how expensive traditional season passes are, this guarantees that you get to ski the best days of the season for 100 bucks. I'd buy something like that in a second if they offered it at my local mountain. I have enough flexibility to take off on powder days and I'd say the majority of my days are powder days, so being able to ski the best days for $100 would be a crazy deal. I guess it's different at Copper where they don't get quite as much snow, but still they do get plenty of snow.

 

What does that take two powder days to pay for itself? If you have to buy tickets on top of that, it really doesn't matter.

 

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