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post #31 of 71

I'm flying Southwest into Spokane (GEG) and doing a Powder Hwy loop.  You could catch SWA out of ABQ?

 

 

I remember when they were first pumping RMR and they advertised Powder Country Airlines right into town. I checked and the airline didn't exist? 

Some were suggesting direct flights from Europe into Kelowna? Yeah, right!

 

Has there been any progress moving the Revelstoke airport? Apparently fog is a big problem at the current location.

post #32 of 71

relocate the airport ??

Doubt it  the airport (or actually the landing strip ) will probably never be relocated. And to where? Fog is an issue everywhere in the Columbia Valley. Also local opposition groups tend to make any significant new development rather difficult and it would be extremely slow. Has anyone followed the Jumbo Glacier Ski proposal ? Can't imagine allowing another airport that would take up more of the limited valley space would go over too well. Just improving the highways around Vancouver has been slow and controversial.

It also takes politicians with considerable leadership (and a willingness to have a short shelf life) to come down too strongly on the pro development side. We have more ski hills than those in B.C..

post #33 of 71
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relocate the airport ??

Doubt it  the airport (or actually the landing strip ) will probably never be relocated.


That's what I think as well, but there was some type of effort.  Without one though, I just don't see RMR ever getting much bigger?

 

post #34 of 71

I don't believe the current air strip at Revelstoke is long enough for jets to land. RMR is going to rely on people flying direct from Toronto to Kelowna and then renting a car for a 2 or 2 and a half hour drive to the resort. This will account for hundreds or even thousands of skier visits, but not the hundreds of thousands of skiers visits that a major ski resort requires.

post #35 of 71

I took the drive up from Vancouver last year and spent a couple of days at Revelstoke.  I have to concur with most of the other posters that while it has some real potential it is unquestionably not in the greatest mountains catergory.  My initial impressions from the moment I drove into the parking lot were "raw"  Everything had that I'm not finished yet feeling.  The snow was great and the lack of long lines was enjoyable but I really didn't think those things compensated for the lack services on the hill or at the base.  There is no where to eat once you are up top and all there was at midstation was a little snack shack that sold candy bars, prepackaged wraps and cans of soda.  A lot of good ski time is wasted if you have to take the gondola all the way down just to get a burger or hotdog and fries.  Revelstoke itself is a quaint little town but as far as any kind of serious apre' it is seriously lacking.  It is hard for me to see a lot of Vancouver folks interested in making the trek when whistler is so close at hand.  Two great interior BC mountains (Big White, Silver Star) and one mediocre one (Apex) make it hard for me to imagine that they will get much traffic out of those regions.  The Calgary guys have already chimed in with their objections so it seems to me that Revelstoke is going to be hard pressed to EVER reach the targets that they have set as far as development.

post #36 of 71
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I don't believe the current air strip at Revelstoke is long enough for jets to land. RMR is going to rely on people flying direct from Toronto to Kelowna and then renting a car for a 2 or 2 and a half hour drive to the resort. This will account for hundreds or even thousands of skier visits, but not the hundreds of thousands of skiers visits that a major ski resort requires.


Why do you think RMR is relying on Toronto for much of anything?

 

post #37 of 71
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.... Revelstoke itself is a quaint little town but as far as any kind of serious apre' it is seriously lacking.  It is hard for me to see a lot of Vancouver folks interested in making the trek when whistler is so close at hand.  Two great interior BC mountains (Big White, Silver Star) and one mediocre one (Apex) make it hard for me to imagine that they will get much traffic out of those regions.  The Calgary guys have already chimed in with their objections so it seems to me that Revelstoke is going to be hard pressed to EVER reach the targets that they have set as far as development.


Agreed.  From day one, as a former industry analyst I've always said Revelstoke was nothing more than a 'pump and dump' real-estate play hoping to capitalize on the chumps that didn't realize it lacked the fundamentals to be successful on a big scale.  Once it became obvious it wasn't going to work, the Toronto backers of the project turned tail and ran.  It will never be more than a big, under-developed mountain, limping along from year to year trying not to go under.

 

post #38 of 71
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Why do you think RMR is relying on Toronto for much of anything?

 


Since RMR has no sizable population near by, it stands to reason that if they are going to be a financial success they will need to become Canada's only pure destination resort, i.e. busier mid week with out of town skiers than weekends with locals. Toronto has a greater population than all of Canada's western provinces combined, so it also stands to reason that those mid week skiers will need to come from Canada's largest population.

Also since Calgary skiers already support around a dozen ski areas, all of which are a shorter drive from Calgary, I don't think RMR is developing a business plan based on Calgary skiers. And  Vancouver skiers are very loyal to Whistler and are not likely to trade a 1-1/2 to 2 hour drive to Whistler for a 7 or 8 hour drive to RMR or costly flight via small plane to RMR.

 

 

 

post #39 of 71

They're foolish if they think they'll get much business out of Toronto.  Everyone I know from Toronto goes to Whistler when they head for western Canada.  It's like little else is on their radar.

post #40 of 71



 

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They're foolish if they think they'll get much business out of Toronto.  Everyone I know from Toronto goes to Whistler when they head for western Canada.  It's like little else is on their radar.



Agreed. Most people i know in eastern canada head for WBC. Its a like a magnet for them.

 

post #41 of 71
Thats because people back there haven't heard of Revelstoke or Kicking Horse. Whistler is the only place to go if your gonna spend $2000 a person on a ski trip. I went to Whistler when I live in Toronto and it was because I never heard of any other place other then Banff and such. Knowing what I know now, I would still go to Whistler. The snow is guaranteed to be good at Whistler and not so much at the other places.

I am gonna try out Revelstoke this year. I did hear good things about the place.
post #42 of 71



Well yeah, Whistler does advertise better than anyone. I don t know about snow quality though. Whistler when i went didn't have the greatest conditions.

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Thats because people back there haven't heard of Revelstoke or Kicking Horse. Whistler is the only place to go if your gonna spend $2000 a person on a ski trip. I went to Whistler when I live in Toronto and it was because I never heard of any other place other then Banff and such. Knowing what I know now, I would still go to Whistler. The snow is guaranteed to be good at Whistler and not so much at the other places.
I am gonna try out Revelstoke this year. I did hear good things about the place.


 

post #43 of 71
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 There is no where to eat once you are up top and all there was at midstation was a little snack shack that sold candy bars, prepackaged wraps and cans of soda.  A lot of good ski time is wasted if you have to take the gondola all the way down just to get a burger or hotdog and fries.  


 

Sounds like my kinda place.  Better get there quick before they fold, eh?

 

Re: emboldened text:  are you a skier or a weak weak weak culinarian?  My answer.... BYOL and ski  your balls off.

post #44 of 71
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Sounds like my kinda place.  Better get there quick before they fold, eh?

 

Re: emboldened text:  are you a skier or a weak weak weak culinarian?  My answer.... BYOL and ski  your balls off.



I would agree but since this thread is about Revelstoke and it's viability as a resort destination I suspect that that is not a reasonable expectation for many. 

post #45 of 71

Yes Whistler is a magnet. It is very hard for other western Canadian resorts to compete against. It has a lot of everything in place and all in one place. Hard to do better for booking a weeks ski vacation. The biggest risk is the weather might not be perfect but you can always fix that by skiing at a different elevation. Not many places offer that option.  Revy on the other hand is best done as part a week road trip. Ski a different hill each day and chase the weather. It can easily be done in conjunction with the Rockies, the Okanogan mountains, or the southern Rockies and Kootaneys. Lots of  good resorts with pretty minimal driving times between and all with significant vertical. None of the local towns with the exception of Banff really offer much variety in entertainment or dining so by driving after skiing your not missing much action. And if you hit the snow right, any of those hills will keep you happy. l doubt I would recommend that someone just book into Revy. Skiing the other hills when they are that close just makes too much sense.  You need a vehicle to get there anyway. Keep the options open.       

  

post #46 of 71
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I would agree but since this thread is about Revelstoke and it's viability as a resort destination I suspect that that is not a reasonable expectation for many. 

Well said.  You have my apologies.... I'm thinking a bit more rationally this morning.
 

 

 

post #47 of 71
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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

Yes Whistler is a magnet. It is very hard for other western Canadian resorts to compete against. It has a lot of everything in place and all in one place. Hard to do better for booking a weeks ski vacation. The biggest risk is the weather might not be perfect but you can always fix that by skiing at a different elevation. Not many places offer that option.  Revy on the other hand is best done as part a week road trip. Ski a different hill each day and chase the weather. It can easily be done in conjunction with the Rockies, the Okanagan mountains, or the southern Rockies and Kootenays. Lots of  good resorts with pretty minimal driving times between and all with significant vertical. None of the local towns with the exception of Banff really offer much variety in entertainment or dining so by driving after skiing your not missing much action. And if you hit the snow right, any of those hills will keep you happy. l doubt I would recommend that someone just book into Revy. Skiing the other hills when they are that close just makes too much sense.  You need a vehicle to get there anyway. Keep the options open.       

  


icon14.gif Well said.  I think you nailed it.

 

post #48 of 71



That pretty much sums up Revy's difficulty

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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post

Yes Whistler is a magnet. It is very hard for other western Canadian resorts to compete against. It has a lot of everything in place and all in one place. Hard to do better for booking a weeks ski vacation. The biggest risk is the weather might not be perfect but you can always fix that by skiing at a different elevation. Not many places offer that option.  Revy on the other hand is best done as part a week road trip. Ski a different hill each day and chase the weather. It can easily be done in conjunction with the Rockies, the Okanogan mountains, or the southern Rockies and Kootaneys. Lots of  good resorts with pretty minimal driving times between and all with significant vertical. None of the local towns with the exception of Banff really offer much variety in entertainment or dining so by driving after skiing your not missing much action. And if you hit the snow right, any of those hills will keep you happy. l doubt I would recommend that someone just book into Revy. Skiing the other hills when they are that close just makes too much sense.  You need a vehicle to get there anyway. Keep the options open.       

  



 

post #49 of 71
Thread Starter 

just my observation on here. 

 

Regarding of what people rate their ski experiences on.

 

Seems it is not all about the quality of skiing. I think Revy has a great quality of ski. since u get to ski lots there as not many crowds

 

people like Whistler for the snob appeal. More less people want a 5 star hotel and $100 dinner for their whole experience.

 

Why can't we go back to the grassroots of the sport. Back when men where men and women were whatever.

Should be all about the skiing only, not if your champagne comes with a marble glass

post #50 of 71

then why would you do anything but what has been suggested. Skiing a variety of mountains is the best way to get the most out of skiing. Revy is a good enough hill. Its just not the ultimate ski destination some seem hope it will become.  

post #51 of 71
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Originally Posted by world-traveller123 View Post

just my observation on here. 

 

Regarding of what people rate their ski experiences on.

 

Seems it is not all about the quality of skiing. I think Revy has a great quality of ski. since u get to ski lots there as not many crowds

 

people like Whistler for the snob appeal. More less people want a 5 star hotel and $100 dinner for their whole experience.

 

Why can't we go back to the grassroots of the sport. Back when men where men and women were whatever.

Should be all about the skiing only, not if your champagne comes with a marble glass


I'm a Whistler guy so you can assume a little bit of local bias but I love Whistler for the vast amount of excellent advanced/expert terrain.  My apre' usually consists of $5 pizza from Misty Mtn. Pizza (they even throw in a can of Coke for that price) and a coffee at Tim Hortons in Squamish on my way back down to Vancouver.  The beauty is that when I take my Christmas and spring break vacations up there this year, I can also enjoy great hotels and a fabulous dining experience that everyone, including those not so passionate about skiing that are with us, will enjoy.  

 

I liked Revy when I was there and will go back for a couple of days again this year.  However, I will leave the women at home and go with a couple of buddies who are just as passionate about the skiing and less concerned with the other stuff that comes along with a ski trip.

post #52 of 71

I have skiied all over North America and Europe for the past 30 years and currently live in the southern US.   I have skiied in Revi every year since it opened in 2007/08. 

 

To correct one of the above posts the original lead developer was from Denver. He knew and loved Revi from heliskiing over three decades.  That commitment and passion meant leading and championing a development that eventually lost him and various partners a fair amount of cash in the 2008 credit crunch - not that it was very unusual situation for many real estate developments at the time.  The hill and development is now owned and controlled by the Gilardi family who are quite good businessman and have a long and successful history in various hospitality, sports and real estate businesses and in provincial politics. 

 

I know that the ownership change has been challenging for many owners but the Gilardi's have stood behind the project when they could have walked.  They contnue to add various improvements on an annual basis, including several for this year.    That said, I think the resort is one of the best I have skiied in terms of snow, terrain and lack of crowds.   It is remote.  It does not have extensive, chic apres ski and shopping which is actually part of its charm.  It's an authentic, functioning lumber, railway and mining town with skiing tacked on.  Its not some developer's and master planner's idea of what a mining town used to look like with a Starbucks and Prada.    If you love skiing, prefer a wide open slope, minimal crowds, good snow and are not too worried about taking a few extra hours to get to Revi and do not need the most current apres ski and shopping then I highly recommend it.  There are several extremely good restaurants- probably enough to last out a week.  On the other hand, if you are looking for easy access, good apres ski and great shopping (the Ultimate resort?) then there are lots of great Canadian, US and European resorts that will more than fit the bill for you and many hundreds of thousands of others. 

post #53 of 71
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Originally Posted by montemax View Post
To correct one of the above posts the original lead developer was from Denver. He knew and loved Revi from heliskiing over three decades. 

 

Simpson was only one of three members of the original development team/owner group.  The other two development partner/owners were from Toronto.
 

 

post #54 of 71

I agree with your comments and also encourage everyone to try Revy. Its a very good hill. And I don't know anyone who doesn't wish it success. But committing to stay just at Revy when Kicking Horse and others are so close would be missing something.     

post #55 of 71

Agreed.  I think the point some of us were trying to make is that Revy is definitely worth a visit, but it will never become the largest resort in North America as claimed in their early marketing pitches. 

 

Given its out of the way location and lack of a nearby metropolitan center to provide a strong 'day skier' base to support a large operation (the life blood of a major ski resort in Canada) all it can ever hope to be is a niche resort.  There's a reason the largest regional ski resorts in Canada (Whistler/Blackcomb, Lake Louise & Sunshine Village, Mont Tremblant) are all within a short commute of major metropolitan centers... they absolutely have to have strong local skier traffic to support their large operations. 

 

The master plan for RMR calls for up to 25 lifts on final build-out, but the original development/marketing team must have been smoking crack to think the economics would ever work for that to occur.  Having said that, it's worth a visit for a couple of days if you're touring the region.

post #56 of 71



25 lifts? really? Maybe 10 if they're lucky

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Agreed.  I think the point some of us were trying to make is that it's definitely worth a visit, but it will never become the largest resort in North America as claimed in their early marketing pitches. 

 

Given its out of the way location and lack of a nearby metropolitan center to provide a strong 'day skier' base to support a large operation (the life blood of a major ski resort in Canada) all it can ever hope to be is a niche resort.  There's a reason the largest regional ski resorts in Canada (Whistler/Blackcomb, Lake Louise & Sunshine Village, Mont Tremblant) are all within a short commute of major metropolitan centers... they absolutely have to have strong local skier traffic to support their large operations. 

 

The master plan for RMR calls for up to 25 lifts on final build-out, but the original development/marketing team must have been smoking crack to think the economics would ever work for that to occur.  Having said that, it's worth a visit for a couple of days if you're touring the region.



 

post #57 of 71

25 ?? wow hype was more over the top than I was aware of. If they make a third of that number I hope i'm still skiing by then. 

post #58 of 71

Feast your eyes on the mountain master plan for a good laugh.  Download the master plan pdf map HERE.

 

Like I said, there must have been a lot of crack smoked in the board room to think there was the potential market to pull this off.


Edited by exracer - 11/7/11 at 4:12pm
post #59 of 71

They once had huge plans for Whitefish, too.  I said, "Did they consult God and he's going to stop giving us fog?"  Fortunately, they've scaled back their plans quite a bit in the last few years.  

post #60 of 71

Whitefish is another one thats not really close to any major center

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