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Carving on Wide Skis

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

I bought a pair of wider (for me - Sultan 85s - seemingly mid for everyone else) skis in March last year.  Many of the reviews, including realskiers, made claims that you could "rip" these things on groomers.  My definition of rip is as close to and including boot out as possible.  When I attempted this, my inside ski got caught up for lack of a better term.  It's been 6 months so I don't completely remember the sensation but I do remember a distinct edge angle limit on carving.  I've never had this happen on 66mm Fischer SCs or 76mm Metrons with wide fronts.


I wasn't focussing on groomers when making this purchase, but was surprised by the edge angle limit given all the reviews I've readand terms like "rip" tossed around with abandon.  Is this a technique issue - if so, offer advice - or is this a general negative of wide skis.  Realskiers has a 101mm ski now as ski of the year claiming they're good on groomers as well as the obvious.

post #2 of 12
Originally Posted by goldsbar View Post

 When I attempted this, my inside ski got caught up for lack of a better term.

Are you saying that they "hooked" or didn't seem to respond to the amount of edge angle (too much or too little)?


I have a pair of 85's and can assure you that they'll "rip" - check the tune - I once got a godawful tune by a shop in SLC, and they hooked and grabbed all day - awful way to screw up a good ski day. Easiest method to see if this is what you're saying is to detune the tip and tail by dulling the edges about 6 inches from front and back.


If not, try to describe "got caught".

post #3 of 12

Interesting post. I have similar feelings and worries about supposed "mid" width skis and I personally think it's due to technique and style. Those of us who are used to carving on smaller waists tend to ski with our boots close together if not touching simply because we can. This technique or style pretty much involves rolling your ankles back and forth and letting the edges do the work. In a mid-wide ski, you really need to separate your skis and put weight on the edges--starting from your upper thighs and through your shin.  I understand your problem though.....it's just a matter of getting used to it. 

post #4 of 12

I have zero problems railing turns on my Sultans.  I would check the tune.

post #5 of 12

Please explain what you mean by "inside ski got caught up".   Mostly when I ski my ski's edges are "caught up" almost all the time, either the left edges or the right edges are caught in the groove they are carving, both inside and outside ski.  It is possible that you were carving on your outside ski and the inside ski was along for the ride and skidding a bit, but with the wider skis and your feet being the same distance apart you could be driving that inside skis inside edge into the snow, causing it to hook up, but without the control you would have over it due to it previously not mattering all that much how the inside ski was skidding along.

post #6 of 12

Well to start with , here in the south we dont call it carvin ......we call it whitlin. I guess if ya all whitled long enough on them wide skis then they would become more a what ya are use to.and wide er skinny I seem ta keep my feet about shoulder width apart ( oh ya wide for me is 88 a them miili me umms) or close to it as seing its gettin harder for me ta bend that way ta check.(specally when im whitlin down the hill) I guessin  I better be gettin me somma them 100 me umms skis or close to it. Now I did take my old RC4s out fer a spin the other day and beside them wantin ta turn sooner then my 88s they ski abouts ta same.


Hopin this all helps

post #7 of 12

The factory tune on mine was really whack. If you haven't done so yet, take it to a good shop and have it reset by hand to .5 / 3 if you want a more carving focused ski.


It is a very good ski to do it all on the front side including in the trees between runs, moguls, light crud, etc...  But if you really just want a fat race ski there are other better options. Sultan is a ripping ski but perhaps not what you had in mind.

post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 

The best way I can describe it - again, 6 months ago - was that the inside ski would get caught in the snow and consequently feel like it was pushing back.  The snow was fairly soft that day (spring) but not slushy on the parts I was carving.  Everything was fine at modest to near high edge angles but once I pushed the angels that extra bit they started to get "caught".  I'll have to try them again once it stops raining...


To SkiThaTrees, I do essentially use the style you suggest.  I've pretty much honed my carving skills over the years using Harb's books which suggest a narrow stance compounded by the fact that I'm small boned and generally have a narrow stance to begin with.


As for the tune, I haven't checked it yet.  Nothing "looks" abnormal though that means nothing.  I generally do my own work and set my skis at 1&3 only because that's what the claimed factory tune is and it never bothered me.

post #9 of 12

Maybe a little too much inside foot pull-back. 

post #10 of 12

 I was laying  trenches on a 115 waist today, It takes a different style.

post #11 of 12

My two cents-widen your stance and watch your tip lead on the inside ski. If I read the specs right, the Sultan has about a 19-20 m turn radius-much bigger than the Fischer SC or the Metron, where all you need to do is tip them on edge and you're turning.

post #12 of 12

The edge angle limit for hard snow carving on narrow skis is boot out. Conceivably, wider skis would be capable of greater edge angle, but there is the problem of leverage.

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