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post #61 of 71

P.S. If you go with Westcomb, make sure there is a good return policy- their stuff is top notch and eVent really does what it is advertised to do.  I just find it that it breathes too much and makes you feel cold.  There are other technical differences in the membrane performance that arguably make GoreTex more suitable for skiing, but I won't elaborate here. 

post #62 of 71

BMW - German - you could buy a NA made car if you really cared and you can't say your not paying a premium for the BMW name

Apple is more expensive than an equivalent PC - by the time Apple mass produce a product, there is already an 'upgrade' available which you can get in a PC version if you pay the same price as the Mac version.

 

This was a thread about Arcteryx, and they make some damn good kit! I haven't compared lately, but no ski clothing I have ever worn can compare to the Arx stuff I have now. One small example - How many of those 'cheap' brands have zippers that are actually waterproof too?

post #63 of 71

Sorry, but i have built many computers in my life.  The parts inside a mac are no different than the parts inside a PC.  The only difference you are paying for is 1)style 2)innovation.  I can easily build a PC for 1/2 the price of a Mac and it would still beat it down in benchmarks.  Even entry level macs are over priced...

 

 


 

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And you're basing this intelligent response upon???

 

Do your research. Compare what you get, with the cost between an entry level iMac, and other all-in-ones.... there's little, if no difference.

 

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For an example of how it should be done, look no further than Apple. 4 or 5 years ago, their computers were considered expensive by most people. But as technology became cheaper, and their manufacturing operations continued to be outsourced to asia, the price of their products has come down with it. Today, an introductory Macbook or iMac is no more expensive than its Window's-based alternative.
 

Um.....No.

post #64 of 71

I would say there are several jackets as good as Arcteryx, but they cost about the same: high end  models by marmot and mountain hardware to name a couple. I own arc and marmot, have for about 10 years.

post #65 of 71

Firstly, the car is used. I didn't buy right from the manufacturer, and thus I didn't directly support BMW.

 

Secondly, German workers are paid a fair buck to build their cars. Can't really say that about cheap Chinese labour can you? It's the ethical concern I have more than merely the country of origin. 

 

This whole debate is getting a bit tiresome. It's clear that Arc'Teryx makes a stellar product.... But they now make it in China using cheap labour, and have yet to pass the savings onto their customers. They also tend to mascarade around like they're still a 'made in Canada' brand, which is complete BS. 

 

So, if you can happily ignore that stuff and want to pay the big price, who am I stop you? Go ahead. 

 

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BMW - German - you could buy a NA made car if you really cared and you can't say your not paying a premium for the BMW name

Apple is more expensive than an equivalent PC - by the time Apple mass produce a product, there is already an 'upgrade' available which you can get in a PC version if you pay the same price as the Mac version.

 

This was a thread about Arcteryx, and they make some damn good kit! I haven't compared lately, but no ski clothing I have ever worn can compare to the Arx stuff I have now. One small example - How many of those 'cheap' brands have zippers that are actually waterproof too?

post #66 of 71

You make your own PC bud... there's a bit of a difference between you and the average consumer.

 

Furthermore, by assembling it yourself, you're absorbing a good portion of the manufacturing costs.

 

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Sorry, but i have built many computers in my life.  The parts inside a mac are no different than the parts inside a PC.  The only difference you are paying for is 1)style 2)innovation.  I can easily build a PC for 1/2 the price of a Mac and it would still beat it down in benchmarks.  Even entry level macs are over priced...

 

 


 

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Originally Posted by Owen Perry View Post


And you're basing this intelligent response upon???

 

Do your research. Compare what you get, with the cost between an entry level iMac, and other all-in-ones.... there's little, if no difference.

 

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Originally Posted by Owen Perry View Post


 

For an example of how it should be done, look no further than Apple. 4 or 5 years ago, their computers were considered expensive by most people. But as technology became cheaper, and their manufacturing operations continued to be outsourced to asia, the price of their products has come down with it. Today, an introductory Macbook or iMac is no more expensive than its Window's-based alternative.
 

Um.....No.


 
post #67 of 71

wow... this thread has gone to crap, eh?

post #68 of 71

Wow you're clueless...

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You make your own PC bud... there's a bit of a difference between you and the average consumer.

 

Furthermore, by assembling it yourself, you're absorbing a good portion of the manufacturing costs.

 

 

 

post #69 of 71

Excellent argument.... By letting me know I'm clueless, you've completely, and successfully refuted my statements. Give yourself a pat on the back there Chief.
 

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Wow you're clueless...

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You make your own PC bud... there's a bit of a difference between you and the average consumer.

 

Furthermore, by assembling it yourself, you're absorbing a good portion of the manufacturing costs.

 

 

 

post #70 of 71

No point in arguing about it.  I'm right you're wrong.  Besides this isn't a thread about Mac vs PC prices or BMW's...it's about "Arc'teryx shells".  If you want to keep it going, by all means.  I don't plan on it.

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Excellent argument.... By letting me know I'm clueless, you've completely, and successfully refuted my statements. Give yourself a pat on the back there Chief.
 

post #71 of 71

Interesting how everyone's "value formula" is different......price.....durability.....style......warranty.....manufacturing location......brand perception.......i have several pieces of arc'teryx clothing and have no complaints about any of them.....they are expensive....they are probably more than the mission requires in most of our cases.....i used to be convinced that patagonia was the gold standard on this stuff until i found and tried arc'teryx.....the only question i still have is about the warranty which i haven't had to use yet......they do seem to sell out of many of the styles in size xl......i don't think you'll be disappointed with any of their products...but then thats going to be up to you.....be forewarned....you might really like the stuff and want more of it.....

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