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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hallo girls and guys

 

Please help :)

 

I am Patryk from Europe. I have lots of racing experience so I am very good skier on groomed and.....pretty weak on powder.

I am more and more interested in free. I will surely not jump off the cliff but I am still crazy enough to do something stupid in deep powder and trees.

 

What would you recommend me please

I am 184 cm tall and weight 88 Kg

 

I thought about Volkl Mantra or Rossignol S3. How would you compare them?

 

Any other suggestion?

 

Thanks

Patryk


Edited by patryka - 12/10/10 at 6:31pm
post #2 of 13

Hi Patryk

Welcome to EpicSki!

 

There are tons of good skis in the category that you're looking for, including the two you've listed.

 

There is a following of the Mantra which should make you feel at home if you're used to the grip of race skis, however, the S3 promises to have a level of fun factor that friends are talking about. 

 

If you can demo, you should.

 

post #3 of 13

If tree skiing is anythiing you going to be doing you dont want the mantra.

 

S3 is sweet but really people need to stop considering a powder ski. its quiver ski for people who already have fat skis.

 

short list at your height and weight and skill.'

 

Blizzard "the Answer" 184

Volkl Katana  183cm maybe 190cm

Rossingnol S6 186cm

Line Prophet 115   186cm

 

all ski groomers better than you will think, and all off them are better in powder, variable snow, and skiing trees.  Also listen to my lengths, a ski to short will actually be harder to ski on and in some case harder to turn in powder snow.

 

Unless you want a wide groomer ski, that excels at blasting crud I would steer clear of the mantra.

post #4 of 13

^^^ nice job Josh, I would completely agree. There are a bunch of skis that could be added, but that's a good list. The Mantra and the S3, while both excellent (and radically different from each other), are both 'compromise' skis. Skis for people who want too much from a niche ski. The Mantra has a ton of edge grip... something that is actually bad for dynamic off-piste skiing. The S3 is narrow for a ridiculously soft rockered ski that is fun in the trees and bumps... it's just not that good in powder and mildly frightening in cut-up snow at speed. As Josh mentioned, better choices are out there.

post #5 of 13

I like my volkl bridge very much.

 

If your not looking for a specific pow ski I would still say a camber ski will do good.  Volkl Bridge is rigid but soft at the same time, works everywhere, and is a very durable ski.

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Cphillips View Post

I like my volkl bridge very much.

 

If your not looking for a specific pow ski I would still say a camber ski will do good.  Volkl Bridge is rigid but soft at the same time, works everywhere, and is a very durable ski.



The new Volkl Bridge is rockered (ELP), the new bridge is better everywhere than the old bridge yes including hardpacki groomers. I throw the bridge in there as quiver ski for people who like fat rockered skis on everything but want something smaller and more playful.  Me  and whiteroom both have a ski like the S3, well I have the "one" like an S3, and he has the S3 but both us already have lots of skis that fill other niches. Including all mountainish powder skis like the list I gave you that list is a good start but not the end all to be all.

 

 

 

post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 

Hallo all.

Thank, thank you very much. You really inspired me to search more. I checked Mantra already and because everybody are crazy about rockers and Mantra does not have it I leave that and search for something else.

More, I had the opportunity to test S3 and ......I did not like it at all. It was...ok in powder and fun and playful but rather for not experienced skier (or 4 beginners really).

To soft and in high speed it felt unstable. Not for me.

I have no doubt the Katana is just GREAT ski but as I am not experienced in powder I am not looking for such a gun shot ;)) - something more playfull. If I fall in love in freeride I will surely buy Katana as my 3-rd ski. (I still have my FIS edition GS ski).

 

I think Line is not available to buy here so i cannot think of it.

 

Blizzard The Answer looks great. I also like the Marker bindings. Does it have a rocker?

 

Dear Bushwackering

 

U also interested me in S6, unfortunately there is not much info and movies about this ski (lots of S7 but I do not want a gunshot as Katana and so S7). Please tell some more.

 

The last thing I woul like to add and I think that maybe this is what I need is something new - Salomon Shogun. What d'u think? (K2 Kung Fujas maybe?)

 

All the best for you and happy skiing.

Patryk


Edited by patryka - 12/19/10 at 6:18am
post #8 of 13

The answer has very slight rocker its actually the least rockered of the skis mentioned .With the answer you can use whatever binding you want.

 

The S6 is the most playful out of the skis mentioned. I have not skied it but it would ski like a wider S3 which is a really good thing. I have seen it skied on everything from powder to hardpack groomers and the skier who I trust called it a playful twin tip MX108.

post #9 of 13

Thinking about maneuverability in trees and European powder, which is a lot like NE in moisture content, but bigger dumps followed by similar dry spells. So not convinced that something way over 100 is optimal. I'd think about 98-ish that's not too heavy, with rocker: Elan Spire, good grip, light enough to hike with, damp enough to deal with settled or crusty snow, easy to find in Yrp; if they made a slightly fatter Blizzard One, that'd be perfect, but you still might think about current one; Kastle MX98 if you have the $$; it'll do everything better. If you want fatter, then for freeride the S6 is said to be more substantial than either the S3 or S7...

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 

You are very right "beyond". There only a few places in Europe with great powder and they are Verbie and Zermatt in Switz, some in France of course and in Norway. All others powder for us and for American and Canadian they are kind of semi powders or so ;))))

That is why I look for something nice but still versitile.

 

I will check S6

 

Have you touched Salomon Shogun and Kung Fujas?

 

All the best

post #11 of 13

^^^^ I've, ah, touched the Shogun, haven't skied either. Shogun seemed light, moderately hand flexy. Think there are some reviews here of each, especially the Shogun. IMO most these mentioned are good skis, your decision should be about feel. Do you like a lively, light ski with some flex (Shogun, The One), a lighter ski with some dampness and flex (Spire), a moderate weight ski with moderate stiffness and dampness (MX98), a heavier ski with some stiffness and pop (Katana, Prophet 115), a heavier ski with some dampness and flex (S6, S7). You're the best judge of what feel you prefer for your terrain, huh? 

post #12 of 13
Demo-Demo-Demo.

BUT, having skied both the S3 and Mantra ... One is a soft snow ski [S3] and one [Mantra] really isnt. I know the Mantra is wide and often billed as a pow ski, but by todays standards, its a wide carver - to stiff once it gets deep and a rough ride in heavy deep crud, sluggish in the trees as well. The S3 is acceptable not better [my opinion] on the groomers, and does best in the soft to deep, where it is really fun. Many disagree with me, but I prefer many skis to the S3, but to each his own. This years K2 Sidestash is a great all around soft snow ski. Great on soft groomers and excels in the deep. Love em!. Put a pair of Dukes on them and they are great for sidecountry AT. The Line Profit 100, while not quite as good a carver as the Mantra, is great in everything but on hard groomers. The Elan Spire is a fantastic upgrade to the Mantra. Carves as well and waaay better in the soft. With your race background, you might like these best of all. The Profit and the Spire are two of the best all arounders out there.

One quiver skis only exist for people who don't ski a wide range of terrain/conditions or expect much of their skis. I like the AC50 for carving [those high pressure weeks], the Profit 100 for all around-good at everything fun, the Sidestash for fresh and short AT and last... the Line 130 for those dream days of untracked. Mach 3 in 2 feet of untracked with tips plane-ing was never so much fun! If I had to own only 1....... the Profit [followed by the Spire].

Try them all.
Edited by Alta - 12/20/10 at 5:53pm
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Cphillips View Post

I like my volkl bridge very much.

 

If your not looking for a specific pow ski I would still say a camber ski will do good.  Volkl Bridge is rigid but soft at the same time, works everywhere, and is a very durable ski.



The new Volkl Bridge is rockered (ELP), the new bridge is better everywhere than the old bridge yes including hardpacki groomers. I throw the bridge in there as quiver ski for people who like fat rockered skis on everything but want something smaller and more playful.  Me  and whiteroom both have a ski like the S3, well I have the "one" like an S3, and he has the S3 but both us already have lots of skis that fill other niches. Including all mountainish powder skis like the list I gave you that list is a good start but not the end all to be all.

 

 

 



Bush, can you post a review of the Bridge? Very interested in your thoughts.

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