Originally Posted by Ghost
Originally Posted by Rick
Ghost, perhaps these question will help. Where does your weight naturally want to migrate when turning? What would you have to do to negate that? Assuming you'll easily guess the answer to those 2 questions, do we really want to teach people that corrective measure?
When turning, weight naturally migrates to the outside ski (unless you have been over-practising your "white pass" turns), centrifugal force also naturally pressures the outside ski.
Why would you want to negate that?
Why would you want to negate it? Look what happens if you don't, and simply flatten the downhill ski to release it at the end of a turn, while it's harboring the bulk of the skier's turn force magnified weight. You head off down the falline on a sideways death slide, riding atop that flattened downhill ski, like a cafeteria tray from hell. Turning does not happen unless something else is done in addition. Simply releasing the downhill edge, as a singular isolated action, will not do it for us, all on its own. Hopefully tdk will get his video of it sorted, as I'm sure it will show it clearly. Something needs to be done to supplement the release, for turning to follow. The only thing holding you from sliding off down the falline during the bottom portion of a wedge turn is that engaged edge of the downhill ski. Take it away, and off you go, sliding sideways down the hill.
I'm not a poor skier, and I've followed the "just release the downhill edge" directions to a T, and gotten the exact same results tdk has; sideways runaway Rick. Those simplified instructions are incomplete, and in that overly simplified state don't work when followed literally. In the teaching environment, when working with students, it may work to provide that simplified prompt, because the skiers mind/body connection may auto fill in the blanks on it's own. That's fine, if it works for you. But when explaining the realities of what really happens, here on this forum, to other pros from teaching systems outside of PSIA, realism and detail is required to make the concept legitimate. In the simplified version that has been offered so far here, (just release the edge and you will turn), it's not legitimate at all. Sorry, but I was actually laughing out loud at it as I was sliding sideways down the hill after attempting it. I'm sure that's not how you want this concept to be perceived or understood. You need to fill in the blanks to make it actually ring true.
Metaphor is so correct. This stuff doesn't happen in movement isolation. Skiing is a blend and a chain of movement menagerie.