"fam, dont get fired up over nothing. Couldent you see I was responding to someones elses posting. I had him quoted and all"
You were responding to someone else about my wedge turn experiment and stating how my observations were wrong because I obviously had to make a smaller turn when i used the pressure method of turning. I feel that it is only right that I step in and point out that your assumptions are totally wrong.
"Anyway, I respect you for your theory. Its good to be thinking. However, one thing that everyone seems to get hung up on is that they think that the pressure method has a "braking" component built into it. Just check out the topic of this thread if you need an example. I can now inform you that the braking componet comes from higher edge angles and wider wedge. Its not in the pressure method. If you started out all three turn types with the exact same gliding wedge and made the exact same turn radius at the exact same speed.... see where Im getting. Its physics. In order to generate the exact same turn radius at the exact same speed you would need to create the exact same resistance to change the path of the CoM. You are comparing apples to pears. And so is everyone else believing your experiment was somehow indicative of which method."
Parts of this paragraph just make no sense but I will reply to those parts that do. I never said that the pressure method had a breaking component only observed that it felt brakeyer and gave a reason for why it felt brakeyer. You can't inform me about anything because you seem to make assumptions to back up your information. I changed neither the size of the wedge nor the edge angles I simply pressured one of the skis more than the other. The skis turned and I observed that they felt brakeyer than when I used the other methods and that my speed was slower as s result. I said that the turns had the same size I never said that they were the same speed, the pressure method produced a much slower speed hence the inability to carry the arc of those turns as far across and back up the hill. The fact that can be drawn from what I did is that for a given wedge size, a given slope angle and a given turn size the pressure method results in a slower speed. I don't know what you are comparing but I was contrasting three different ways of creating arcs on snow with skis in a wedge stance.
You said: If the student is depending on the braking of the wedge then when they move to steeper terrain their response will be to make a bigger wedge, if they have learned to carry the arc back up the hill then they will do that and the steeper hill and slightly increased speed will cause a spontaneous matching of the skis if that hasn't happened before.
First, you are confusing the pressure method with the braking wedge. This is far from correct. It is actually completely falce. The braking is in your head before it gets to your feet. It has nothing to do with shifting pressure. If you like to turn tighter then shift more weight out over the outside ski. You dont alter the wedge width more than you do with the other methods. Most people that say some skiing technique is better than annother, usually new better than old, usually not a fatoldman but a skinnyyoungman, did so because he did not understand the old method. Ive seen it a thousand times. Im not saying you did not understand how to make wedge turns using the pressure method but I dont understand how you can come up with such falce and noncomparable examples. Second, in the scenario with the steeper terrain, students that do not know how to controll the turn shape by altering pressure between skiis are not going to be able to turn past the fall line. They lose the wedge and they go straight down in high speed. I see this all the time. But not my students. Very seldome anyway.
Again, much here doesn't seem to make sense. I never mentioned a braking wedge only that if a student is used to gaining a degree of speed control from resistance felt in the wedge when they turn then their response to greater speeds will be to create a larger wedge to feel more resistance. I never said one method was better than another I simply made a few observations about them. It was you who assumed a defensive stance and felt it necessary to attack what I said and try to explain it away by making assumptions and putting words in my mouth. Did you miss the part where I said that the pressure always moved to the outside ski or are you just ignoring that to try to score a weak point.
BTW, could you explain a bit more in detail how you managed to rotate your feet in your femures when you were in a wedge? You must have had your skis flat on the ground. So what made your skis turn if there was no edging? I would love for you to go out and tape these demos on video and post them here. Im clearly missing something.
This is such a simple experiment that rather than my having to go to all the trouble to be videoed and putting it on the internet for you to watch why don't you go out and do it for yourself. All you have to do is moving in a wedge stance point your skis right to go right and left to go left. Then from that same moving wedge stance flatten the right ski to go right and the left ski to go left. I teach these movements to children all the time and they have no problem learning them so I assume that they should be easy for an experienced instructor.