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The past few years have been pretty decent snow-wise, all things considered, notwithstanding some disappointing months here and there. However it is not looking good to me right now. I know that they got good snow in certain isolated locations early in the week, but the old pattern that is so familiar to anyone who has lived for long in NE appears to be setting in: cold-and-dry, cold-and-dry, cold-and-dry, warm-and-wet, cold-and-dry. In other words, the storms that carry the moisture needed for snow also carry with them lots of warm air, because they're approaching from the west (Ohio or St. Lawrence valley) instead of from the south. The forecast for Sugarloaf, for example, which has been very cold for the last few days, is calling for up to an inch of rain Sunday into Monday, then back into the desert icebox after that. I wish someone would teach our regional weather the very simple and obvious concept that western weather seems to understand a lot better, which is that nice dry sunshine is supposed to equal WARMTH, while dark wet storm clouds are supposed to equal COLD. We have it all backwards here. rolleyes.gif Maybe an optimistic meteorologist can chime in here and contribute some hopeful feelings about the upcoming season.

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Originally Posted by qcanoe View Post

The past few years have been pretty decent snow-wise, all things considered, notwithstanding some disappointing months here and there. However it is not looking good to me right now. I know that they got good snow in certain isolated locations early in the week, but the old pattern that is so familiar to anyone who has lived for long in NE appears to be setting in: cold-and-dry, cold-and-dry, cold-and-dry, warm-and-wet, cold-and-dry. In other words, the storms that carry the moisture needed for snow also carry with them lots of warm air, because they're approaching from the west (Ohio or St. Lawrence valley) instead of from the south. The forecast for Sugarloaf, for example, which has been very cold for the last few days, is calling for up to an inch of rain Sunday into Monday, then back into the desert icebox after that. I wish someone would teach our regional weather the very simple and obvious concept that western weather seems to understand a lot better, which is that nice dry sunshine is supposed to equal WARMTH, while dark wet storm clouds are supposed to equal COLD. We have it all backwards here. rolleyes.gif Maybe an optimistic meteorologist can chime in here and contribute some hopeful feelings about the upcoming season.

 

there is nothing backwards about the weather at all.  You live in a shadow of 2 pretty major mountain ranges aka the Green and the Whites. When the next storm which is going to bring rain tonight retrograde and stalls all your going to get is cold. the Green Mountain spine and the Dacks are going to seen another couple feet of snow.

 

Sorry but it is what it is and its been that way since before man knew what was going on.
 

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I wish BW was right about the couple feet of snow, but nothing but rain overnight.  Supposed to change to snow today with 2-6 inches falling, then the deep freeze for mid-week.  Nothing us eastern skiers haven't seen before and won't see again.  Thank god for grooming and snowmaking. 

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I wish BW was right about the couple feet of snow, but nothing but rain overnight.  Supposed to change to snow today with 2-6 inches falling, then the deep freeze for mid-week.  Nothing us eastern skiers haven't seen before and won't see again.  Thank god for grooming and snowmaking. 



I was right last time. The majority of the snow is going to be tues night into wednesday.

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Agree....seems like the  envelope for getting good conditions is anything but constant...and the time to actually plan a ski day is out the window!


Edited by HaveSkisWillClimb - 12/13/10 at 7:19am
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You live in a shadow of 2 pretty major mountain ranges aka the Green and the Whites.


 

In what way is Maine in the "shadow" of these mountains? I am not a meteorologist (are you?), but I'm pretty sure the moisture in most of our storms comes essentially from the Atlantic, sometimes with help from the Gulf. The Greens and the Whites are not in the way of that flow, are they? If so, how? Are you saying that moisture coming around the back (SW) side of a storm centered over (say) Quebec City is stolen by the Greens and Whites before it gets to Maine? I suppose that's possible, but I don't see that as the basic snow-producing pattern for New England; it seems more like an occasional fluke.

 

If you are saying that we are in a shadow in terms of the Great Lakes, I agree, but I don't see them as a major factor east of the Adirondacks, or possibly early season squalls on the west slopes of the Greens. Note that I lived in Underhill (about five miles from you as the crow flies) for about ten years, so I have plenty of first-hand observation under my belt. It was common to have warm rain followed by weeks of frigid drought, followed by more warm rain there, too. (No need for a "Stowe's weather is special" speech here. It may be special, but I am not talking about isolated pockets; I'm talking about overall patterns. I'm a nordic skier as well as an alpine one, and thus I care about more than just what happens above 2000' at Jay, for example.)

 

So I stick by my original post and am still curious if someone like Tony Crocker, with a lot of actual hard non-anecdotal knowledge, has a comment about why the East is "backwards" in the way I have described above.

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Agree....seems like the  envelope for getting good conditions is anything but constant...and the time to actually plan a ski day is out the window!



LOL...

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