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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Dec 10, 2010

 

Hi OGS:

 

Ducking ropes and out of bounds is a tad different.  Had something on this topic (ducking ropes) maybe a year or two ago (probably this topic has been discussed more than that, since I'm not an old timer on this site), there are pros and cons and the responses definitely depended a lot on where you usually ski.

 

Thoughts:  Have never ducked a rope in 30+ years of skiing, although, I've stretched this point a 3-4 times i.e. Not ducking the rope per se, but skiing down the trail a bit further and picking up the trail which the rope was strung up to prevent skiers going down.  Also, have walked across mud and grass at the top of the hill, and then skied down the  trail where there was snow, but no ropes at the entrance to the trail.  Now, I've done this (hiked over dirt) more than 3-4 times but less than 20.  However, on all of these occasions, I would first determine as much as feasible that it was safe to go down these runs and always at areas which I was totally familiar with the terrain that I was about to poach.

 

Think snow

 

CP

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 

post #5 of 26

Know your area's policies. We have "hard" and "soft" closures. Hard closures - lose your pass. Soft closures - you assume the risk.

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 


I wonder if the terms we use change from area to area.  At the resorts I go to "Closed" is the term for "only the totally stupid, who don't care about others, ski here and should get their pass pulled."  "Out of bounds" usually means outside the patrolled boundary - you are on your own buddy.  And ducking a rope can mean either.
 

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Whistler has just this past week had to revise their backcountry pass policy (they sell a discounted pass which lets you up to the alpine once to tour out of) beacuse too many people have been disrespecting patrol's avalanche closures (e.g. boners touring up under terrain being actively blasted early season). There is a post from a Whistler patrol member over at TGR about it, his experience is that it has been getting worse every season.

 

Blows my mind that people are that stupid, especially people who should know better as they at least have the gear and have hopefully taken some kind of snow safety course.

 

My opinion is that if you ski in an avalanche closure or perm closure, you deserve pass pulled immediately and possible lifetime ban. Leaving the resort boundary should be open to everyone at all times (as long as you are not crossing a closure to get there). I would hope with all the avalanche deaths in recent years in the news that people would have the knowledge, skills (practiced) and equipment before choosing to do so, but I want it to be a choice.

post #8 of 26

Like others said ropes and out of bounds are different and vary depending on resort. At some resorts I've ridden, anything not specifically designated as a run was basically "roped off" even if you could get there without ducking ropes. At other resorts, unless it's gated or roped, it's is pretty much open for skiing, only if it's out of bounds, you don't necessarily have the benefits of avy control and patrol.

 

At this point, I wouldn't duck any ropes, but I think it's really deplorable at resorts with avalanche concerns. It's absolutely stupid and self-absorbed to duck ropes when they're there for avalanche control. It's not only about your safety, but about the safety of the resort. You want to ride avalanche terrain at your own risk--spend the time and money and go backcountry. The ski patrol is responsible for keeping the resort safe, so don't f*ck it up for them.

 

I think it's less of a big deal at resorts out east or in places where there's no avalanche possibility, but I'd still avoid ducking ropes.

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I maintain no firm policy, except finding out the policy of the folks who were kind enough to put the rope there.

In Ontario, usually if there is a rope blocking your way, it's because you are forbidden from skiing beyond the rope.  However I have skied some places in BC where the rope was just to warn folks so they wouldn't fall off a cliff, but you were perfectly welcome to ski the cliff if you wanted to.  Some of the best runs  (and longest trecks back through the deep snow) I can remember were just beyond those protective ropes.

post #10 of 26

Ducking ropes and the like really depends on where you are and who you are (who you know, who knows you).

post #11 of 26

Well, i for one think ducking ropes beats catching them in the neck.

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Well, i for one think ducking ropes beats catching them in the neck.



Reckon that depends what's on the other side...

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My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,

 Blanket statements work fine for people that can't think for themselves right?

 

The answer is area dependant...simple as that. It DEPENDS on whether or not it's a resort boundry rope...but yeah, if it's a rope within the resort marking a closed area within that resort then people should stay the hell out. Here you have a right to access land beyond the resort boundry.


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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 



you can duck ropes and not put anyone in danger.

 

just be respectful about it and dont do it under lifts and dont do around a bunch of people who shouldnt be where you are going.

 

BTW there are tons of ropes in alta/bird you are allowed to duck

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 



you can duck ropes and not put anyone in danger.SUBMIT

 

just be respectful about it and dont do it under lifts and dont do around a bunch of people who shouldnt be where you are going.

 

BTW there are tons of ropes in alta/bird you are allowed to duck

 

This is pretty dumb advise. If you're allowed to duck the ropes, then by all means. Otherwise, you shouldn't be ducking ropes whether or not you're "respectful of others" while doing it or not. I assume you meant ropes that you're allowed to duck, but you didn't say so.
 

post #16 of 26

At Alta, I find that ropes alone restrict skiers to enter at a certain point, whereas ropes along with a sign, "Avalanche danger" Keep out, mean what they say.  One reason lift tickets have sky-rocketed is due to legal issues from dummies that don't adhere to the ski areas policies.  Give credit to the people that study and know what there talking about to place the restriction in the first place.  You deserve to have your ticket pulled.

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 

 

What if you have to duck a rope to ski out of bounds ?!? I've ducked numerous ropes this past week to ski (normally) in bounds runs that are currently classed out of bounds (Whistler). Do I know that these runs aren't patrolled - yes, should I be held down and have the shit beat out me - well evidently.

 


 

post #18 of 26

Ski Patrol put up ropes for a reason. I admit that there are ropes, and then there are ropes.There are gates opening to out of bounds skiing in certain areas. Ski out of bounds where designated. Don't endanger other people.

 

My main point was:

 

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Resorts vary wildly on whether ducking a rope is fine or forbidden.  More interesting is that skiers also vary widly on whether it is fine or foolish.  I wonder if where people fall on that question has to do with what part of the world they are from.  I mainly ski Whistler, BC, where locals are out of bounds all the time.  Thoughts?


Ducking a rope and skiing out of bounds are two different things.

My thoughts are, anyone ducking a rope should have their pass pulled instantly.

Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity should be held down and have the shit beat out of them, I don't care who they are. I am very serious about this,


 



you can duck ropes and not put anyone in danger.SUBMIT

 

just be respectful about it and dont do it under lifts and dont do around a bunch of people who shouldnt be where you are going.

 

BTW there are tons of ropes in alta/bird you are allowed to duck

 

This is pretty dumb advise. If you're allowed to duck the ropes, then by all means. Otherwise, you shouldn't be ducking ropes whether or not you're "respectful of others" while doing it or not. I assume you meant ropes that you're allowed to duck, but you didn't say so.
 

 


first ducking ropes out west = probably avalanche danger. unless of course your are at Alta/bird where there are alot of ropes that mark cliffs and your 100 percent alllowed to duck them.

 

east coast resort could simply have a rope up because maybe the runs isnt groomed yet(this is really lame)  or maybe simply cant support skier traffic, or has hidden hazards like rocks or water bars. If you are smart about it and willing to self extract if something goes wrong, and the land is public I see no problem with it as long as your not encouraging others to do it( ie with in view of the lift) and you being careful because you know whats there and the what can happen if something goes wrong then really whats the issue?

 

also I cna tell right now that if we werent willing to bend rules(and stowe's ski patrol wasnt willing to basically look the other way)  powder skiing these early season storm at stowe wouldnt be possible. Mind you all the pictures I am about to show you where almost all gained by skins but they are most defiantly on closed runs.

 

Greg and the FIS crew are very respectful. I am very respectful. The patrol we have seen while skiing on closed trails here have never bother me, but then again I dont do it under a lift. I am obviously going uphill to get the goods.

 

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REMEMBER: If you get hurt, it’s not just you that’s going to be inconvenienced. If you require a rescue, you will be putting the health and well being of others at risk. Be a part of the mountain community, not a drain on it.

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Just one week ago the most commonly heard phrases were “get over it,” and “you still need to just get over it!”

Just one week ago we were rating our days as “solidly mediocre.”

Just one week ago we were down to nothing. Today we’re tunneling through a sea of white. Events like these define FIS.

There isn’t really much else to say about this storm except that it was accurately predicted by our weather guru Lionel Hutz, and that the snow was completely over the top. Sure: We hit the bottom a few times. In my mind though, anytime you hit the bottom when there’s 30-40″ on the ground, the last thing on our minds is “gee I wish there was a base.” No, we’re thinking “holy ULLR this snow is unbelievably light!” You HAVE to be thankful, and find a way to safely enjoy snow when it comes down in these quantities. That’s what this TR is about. That’s why this is VTah Part V, and in our minds, the best VTah yet. Enjoy.

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Second run. We don’t recommend this one unless you’ve had plenty of practice skiing the stones. The last thing Vermont Ski Patrollers wants to do on early season pow days is extract folks from closed trails.
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these are from me and my buddy adrian. We saw resort employes on closed runs and noone said anything to us. Again look like you know what your doing and dont be a dumbass about it and you should be fine.

 

 

 

Basically words cant and never will describe today. Run on sentences and uncontrollable giggling was the name of the day.

 

So I started skinning at 7 am got up to where midway meets Nosedive and had a awesome run down. I just wish my Gopro was going from the top. I am newbie with a helmet cam managed to get it on at the lowest section of National.

 

 

 

then some lapping of the lifts where the unopen lift serviced trail were getting skied out. Ski out sucks! powder rules. So we took at little jaunt up the Gondi side with skins. 

 

We found some trying conditions for skinning which means it would be awesome on the way down. min snow depth of 36 inches maximum of 52 inches no I am not joking 52 inches of snow!

 

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those above are most definantly on closed runs, we gained the vertical under our own power and being on land that isnt owned but chartas they would be hard pressed to do anything even if they had a problem with. again respectfully and safely skiing closed runs.

 

There was a issue with someone who decided to ski uppest lift line this past week. Uppsest lift line has almost no snow and has jagged rocks unlike the grass slopes featured above. That guy broke his femur, and had to be extracted by patrol putting other at risk. He most defantily lost his pass, not that was he going to need it anymore with a broken femur. That is disrespectful and putting others at risk.  I would never condone that and think everyone can agree here at stowe that this UVM kid was a totaly dumbass. He deserved what he got, the patrol who extracted him did not.

 

the rewards at east coast resort to those willing to work, be smart, and take responsiablity for yourself are for sure worth the minimal risk.  I know you guys want to make this a black and white issue but its not and will never be.

 

 

 

 disclaimer

 

if get your pass pulled skiing on closed runs or out of bounds at stowe or any east coast resort its not my fault. Either your resort isnt as lient or your just a gaper. also the above is not stowe's official policy and they will pull your pass if say you ski lift line while the resort is running the chair.

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How about a compromise.  Its ok to duck ropes but if you die , your wife or girl friend is not allowed to extract your sperm so they can have your baby.  That would violate the laws of Darwin.    Oh yeah parents are not allowed to duck ropes with their children.  That just breeds more rope duckers.  

 

Posted on another thread.

 

Father and son ducking a rope in view of a chairlift.  Person on chair lift yells down.  "That's right kid.  Those ropes are there for all the other people"

post #21 of 26

 

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This one is open unless that rope that says CLOSED is blocking passage. I don't duck a rope like that unless I can live with that being my last run of the day because I accept that the patrol will jerk my ticket if I am caught.

 

Now, if I see a sweet patch of untracked under a lift I might accidentally drop a pole and have to duck a rope to carefully go retrieve itdevil.gif

post #22 of 26
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Ski Patrol put up ropes for a reason. I admit that there are ropes, and then there are ropes.There are gates opening to out of bounds skiing in certain areas. Ski out of bounds where designated. Don't endanger other people.

 

My main point was:

 

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 Anyone endangering the health or lives of Ski Patrol because of their selfish stupidity


Agreed, ducking temporary boundary ropes is a calculated risk, ducking closed ropes (or even worse removing/knocking down closed signs) deserves said holding down treatment.

post #23 of 26

ya just don't in the Tahoe area. try to imagine how you'd feel if you got hurt or something went wrong and you needed patrol's help. how much would that suck? and on days when poachers take most of the untracked lines, it also sucks. Patrol are taking season passes this year, for a couple weeks suspension. ouch.

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This one is open unless that rope that says CLOSED is blocking passage. I don't duck a rope like that unless I can live with that being my last run of the day because I accept that the patrol will jerk my ticket if I am caught.

 

Now, if I see a sweet patch of untracked under a lift I might accidentally drop a pole and have to duck a rope to carefully go retrieve itdevil.gif


dropping something on purpose is a really lame excuse.

 



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ya just don't in the Tahoe area. try to imagine how you'd feel if you got hurt or something went wrong and you needed patrol's help. how much would that suck? and on days when poachers take most of the untracked lines, it also sucks. Patrol are taking season passes this year, for a couple weeks suspension. ouch.


dude if you want untracked snow the only way to get everytime you want it is to go up yourself.

post #25 of 26

QUACK QUACK Im a Gaper!!

And I know where that sign is!!!

post #26 of 26

Single rope line = good to go

 

Double rope line = don't do it.

 

At least that's how it is at my hill.

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