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Rossi S7 - Factory Tune

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

Does anyone know the base and side edge angles the S7s ship with?  I haven't been able to find any information online, and sent an email to Rossignol, but haven't received a response yet.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 23

My guess is 1 & 2.  I didn't get too involved with the set-up on my skis.  I didn't even know what binding I was getting until I picked them up.  I can tell you that the shop, JHS, did a great job with my prep.  The edges hold great on the groomers and I've been blowing past everyone on the cat tracks.

post #3 of 23

My shop told me 1 base/2 side

post #4 of 23

sure its not 1:1?  The S3 is 1:1....

post #5 of 23

Why is it that it's so hard to find out factory base and edge bevel from the manufacturer th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

I've tried to find out the same thing from Volkl, Fischer, K2 and I get the typical 'no response' - when I call reputable ski shops, they either don't know or seem to just guess at it.

 

You'd think that manufacturers would set the base and edge bevels at a "design optimum" for a particular ski - and if anyone has other preferences, they file to their liking.

post #6 of 23

It should be engineered and then provided in the manual that comes with the skis. what, no manual. aaack!

 

I have a technique for figuring it out though. take a section of edge and color it with a felt pen, red or something. then use the adjustable edge file holder and pass it over the colored area. When it takes off color evenly from top to bottom, you have the angle. only on top or bottom of edge, and your angle is off plus or minus  respectively.

post #7 of 23

well, when in doubt and you only have a 2 side guide, use it!  biggrin.gif

post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 

UPDATE - I hear back from a guy at Rossignol, and he told me the factory sets the edges at 1/1.

 

Hmmmm.  Need to figure out whether to just go with that, or set them to 1/2 like everything else I ski.

post #9 of 23

Wade, the 1:1 is ample for soft snow for sure, do you want to consider 1:2 because you tune your own boards and don't have (like most of us) a 1 side? If you don't tune yourself, leave the 1:1 and ski em, if you think they need more edge, then consider the 1:2. less is always better.  measure twice cut once,  you get the point! :)

post #10 of 23

I wouldn't ski anything at 1/1. Heard tell that this new stuff called "ice" has been sighted even in certified fat ski terrain. eek.gif

post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by ILOJ View Post

Why is it that it's so hard to find out factory base and edge bevel from the manufacturer th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

 

Because it doesn't matter what the manufacturer originally setup the skis as.  Edge bevels are a personal preference.

post #12 of 23

 

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post #13 of 23

I actaully did a search and didn't get that hit! but thanks.

post #14 of 23

My S7's.   Started out with what I like, am used to out west  1 and 2.  Then the question, do you detune the considerable rocker and how far ?

 

Did a review of the S7 and that contains what I did.  Repeat:   laid ski on my granite kitchen countertop.  Visually determined where rocker stopped and detuned back 3 inches short of where rocker ended both tip and tail.  Measuring on bottom mid tip and mid tail that was 15 inches back from tip and 12 inches back from tail.  Detuned to this point.  Love them in powder, trees, crap/cut up powder.

 

QUESTION.  Since there's some S7 people here.  I find the ski's chattering moderately when I am skiing groomers and bacically trying to cut my speed.  I am probably turned too much across the hill but thought I would ask if anyone else noticed this. Sort of don't have a real good or bad opinion on groomers.  I have tried more two footed on groomers but also find if I really jump on the outside ski and ride it that I like the feedback more.   Anyone have any comments, recommmen dations.

 

Skied this hill yesterday in about 8 in of pretty good powder, one day old, some tracks, skis behaved like I was skiing virgin powder, really great ride.

 

 

 

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post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Wade, the 1:1 is ample for soft snow for sure, do you want to consider 1:2 because you tune your own boards and don't have (like most of us) a 1 side? If you don't tune yourself, leave the 1:1 and ski em, if you think they need more edge, then consider the 1:2. less is always better.  measure twice cut once,  you get the point! :)



Yep, you nailed it.  I have a 2* side edge tool, but I also have a multi angle adjustable tool that I don't use,  and wouldn't mind picking up a dedicated 1* tool if I needed it.  The rest of my skis are 1:2, so it's more that I'm used to that and know it works for me.

 

Good point re trying the skis at 1:1 to see how they go.  Obviously its much easier to take it from 1:1 to 1:2 than it is to take it back to 1:1 after setting it to 1:2.

 

post #16 of 23

From my knowledge with the s7 last year it was a 1:1(personally feel it is made to be mounted normal as well).

 

Davluri uses a technique i used to use in a shop when peeps didn't know their edge angles.

Volkl-generally 1:2

Fischer-generally 1:3

K2-generally 1:1

this is just from my experience working a shop in the past.

 

 

I also agree the snow in the west is generally a 1:1 thing but a 1:2 if you have a strictly on piste ski.

 

 

Pete- definately gets chattery when it hits some steep'n'hard groomers, holds a little better on freshly groomed..... lets not forget that groomers are not a purpose for the ski but rather that this ski is good enough to have a little fun on them when your headed back to the lift.

post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by davluriView Post

 

 

I have a technique for figuring it out though. take a section of edge and color it with a felt pen, red or something. then use the adjustable edge file holder and pass it over the colored area. When it takes off color evenly from top to bottom, you have the angle. only on top or bottom of edge, and your angle is off plus or minus  respectively.



 I employ a somewhat similar technique:

 

I rest the tail of the ski on the floor, grip the tip of the ski with my left hand and run a panzar file down the entire edge. It gives me what I like to call a "variable mystery bevel".

 

 

Isn't the S7 a powder ski?

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post

Isn't the S7 a powder ski?


With that middle sidecut, not entirely...

post #19 of 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jer View Post

Isn't the S7 a powder ski?


With that middle sidecut, not entirely...



It's a pow ski. If you're worried about it's groomer performance then you should probably have brought a different ski for the day.

post #20 of 23

I believe my JJ's (similar ski) came with a 1/1. I switched to a 1/2. They bite a bit more now on groomers and chatter if I really crank on them.

post #21 of 23

Volkl lists theres on the website  1&2

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Cphillips View Post

From my knowledge with the s7 last year it was a 1:1(personally feel it is made to be mounted normal as well).

 

Davluri uses a technique i used to use in a shop when peeps didn't know their edge angles.

Volkl-generally 1:2

Fischer-generally 1:3

K2-generally 1:1

this is just from my experience working a shop in the past.

 

 

I also agree the snow in the west is generally a 1:1 thing but a 1:2 if you have a strictly on piste ski.

 

 

Pete- definately gets chattery when it hits some steep'n'hard groomers, holds a little better on freshly groomed..... lets not forget that groomers are not a purpose for the ski but rather that this ski is good enough to have a little fun on them when your headed back to the lift.



Per the K2 web site--all K2 are 1/1.5

To Pete--As an experienced chatterer I've been told that skis chatter when you stop turning and start skidding sideways. My instructor told me to get over the outside tip when that happens--but of course you're not me.

To ECimmortal--where besides the backcountry will you ski nothing but powder?  Where I ski a powder day means powder, crud, icy steeps at the top of chutes and where the wind has blown off the snow, rutted groomers, etc, etc.  A "powder" ski has to handle all that, which is why the S7 has camber underfoot and sidecut. I see people skiing them well on icy groomer days and in the bumps.  (Hell, early this season I saw a guy skiing great on Volant spatulas  on Alpine meadows' one man made icy groomer, but I think the point was irony, or maybe sarcasm, I have a hard time telling the difference.) So what's wrong with Pete's question?

post #23 of 23

I've never had a need to go beyond 1:1 on my S7's.  Then again i don't take my S7's for a day on the groomers, just not adequate for that kind of terrain.

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