Originally Posted by comprex
Have you had them on snow yet?
Any edging problems (do they flex away from setting an edge into the snow)?
Any speed wobble problems (at 25mph? at 30 mph? at 40 mph?)
Any "They feel slow and pokey in soft snow, like they get bogged down"- type problems?
#1 is something you want to make sure doesn't exist at low speeds because it would make that ski a bad learning ski for you.
If the ski is doing #2 at speed (25/30/40), you will notice that long before you notice #1 at the same speed.
PLEASE post a review of this ski in this size once you do have them on snow; very few reviewers are your size and your viewpoint is going to be way different than most.
Alright update time!
I did go out skiing last saturday at Holiday Valley in Ellicotville, NY. I think I gave them (and myself!) a pretty good workout. For the most part, I don't feel like I ski them any differently than my previous skis, which are 190's Solomon Pro-Link 10-15 years old. There has been a lot of snow so far in december, and while there was little true ice, there was a lot of really hard packed snow with little to no powder on top, and lot of uneven frozen snow and icy snowballs all over the place. A lot of the lesser traveled trails had snow that wasn't quite as packed, but wasn't loose powder either, it was kinda frozen and clumpy. Those trails were a bit of a challenge for me to do anything on.
First couple runs were down the bunny hill for my wife, who is a new skier. I suffered an embarassing flop over trying to see just how much the skis do on their own. Turns out that just tipping them on edge and hoping they turn is not good enough :p. After that, I stopped thinking about it and just skied.
I abandoned my wife for a bit while she took a lesson and headed up the hill with my 16yo younger brother. Skied down a couple steeper blue squares and easier black diamonds getting used to them. Turns out that it was more me getting used to skiing again and regaining some confidence. After a few runs I got my confidence back and was starting to have fun.
Met back up with my wife again after her lesson. She was in pain and cramping up win her calves. She wanted to go up the hill anyways, and at the top, she found out she was in too much pain to ski down. She ended up getting a ride down on a toboggon, and I lose an hour or so running around for her, going to get her street shoes out of the car, taking her to the performance shop to get her boots checked, getting her situated in the lodge, etc. By the time I got back up on the hill and met up with my little bro again, I only had about an hour and a half left.
We made quite a few runs in the little time we had remaining. I didn't notice that I was able to make any sharper turns than my old skis, but I did feel that it took a little longer in transition from turning left to turning right, and vice versa. I attribute this to the width of the skis. I can't say if they hold edges well yet. I'm not entirely sure what it feels like to hold an edge, I don't think. I do a fair bit of braking in my turns especially on steeper slopes. I did find they don't slide and brake as nicely as my old skis. I attribute that to being new and freshly tuned, while my old skis were never tuned once in the 10 years I skied on them. A couple times I found myself panicking a little if I wanted to slow down just a little without stopping - the edges wanted to grab a little more than I wanted them to.
I didn't notice any speed "wobble" problems that I will attribute to just going fast. The snow was very hard and rough and that caused a bit of a rough ride when I got closer to my personal speed limit. I don't know the types of speeds I do ski. On the smoother snow, I felt comfortable and was getting a bit of air over some big rollers at the bottom of trails. On the steeper trails is where the snow was rougher, less groomed, and less skied, and coincidentally where I was more nervous when I picked up some speed. I know I have skied faster in the past, but I don't feel as if the skis were holding me back this trip - it was more my confidence and the conditions. Does that make sense?
Any "They feel slow and pokey in soft snow, like they get bogged down"- type problems? - I can't say I found any soft snow. I did mention a couple trails where the snow was not quite as packed down, but was not soft but hard and clumpy, like it was wet, and then started to freeze. On those trails, I didn't feel slow and pokey, but I had difficulty turning. The speed was fine, because I remember wanting to slow down but not being able to because I couldn't maneuver into a slide, the edges were holding too much I guess in the less packed snow. On the less steep groomed runs, I was able to carry plenty of speed. Remember how I said my wife was taken down in a toboggon? Well, I followed a ski patrol volunteer down to the first aid station and I was having a hard time NOT overtaking and passing the volunteer, even as he was making carving turns down the trail and I was staying in his tracks.
So all in all, I'm satisfied with the skis the first trip out. I skied nearly every open trail on the hill, was able to get my confidence back, and generally felt pretty comfortable on them by the end of the night. By the end of the night, my legs were burning, but thats just me being out of shape. I didn't suffer any major falls (other than the flop over :P) and I didn't feel like the skis were holding me back, but rather my confidence, abilities, and the conditions at times.
I hope this summary provides SOME useful information. I know its probably not very useful as a decent review, but I just don't know what I'm supposed to be looking for or feeling while I'm skiing, as far as comparing one ski to the next. I'm planning on taking them out again this saturday, so I'll be able to add some new information next week. Hopefully the conditions will be a little better, but I'm thinking it'll be about the same. I'm sure as I get used to the skis and skiing every week again, and getting my confidence and fitness back, by the end of the year I might be able to form a little better opinion of the ski apart from, they got me down the hill how I wanted to get there :P
I'll stay in touch. If you have anymore questions, I'll do my best to answer.