Natrat, any inconsiderate and ignorant newbie such as yourself who, with obviously limited attention span, reading and comprehension skills, thinks there's serious scratch selling hydrocarbon wax to people who get discounts and others on this forum is far from ‘getting it’.
I and others, pay a considerable amount for your 'BS and free speech' on this forum. There are also many others putting tons of free time keeping this place hopping. It may be free to you, but it isn't free. You can show your appreciation by becoming a supporter to help keep the lights on.
The thread is about durability versus relative cost and the information provided is to help people without their head up their ass to help make value judgments and offer up real and practical choices and good tips, based on lots of experience and a lot longer view on things than yours, including keeping a family of skis in 3 disciplines waxed and deep experience in other fields using tools and various other materials.
You are also telling people to wax every two days and to buy $80 worth of wax. Go for it dude. waste your time, material and money and tell all your bros that you have it dialed.
Regarding the F4, Marc sells Swix, thus his post and providing his link. This is also getting old where I spend the time providing info and Marc comes along with a 'buy my stuff here' note and that's it. I don't blame him and am considering the same thing since I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't. I could spend my time in many other places (including being on skis) than eating shit and talking about THE CHEAPEST PART OF SKIING!
Venting aside, for those who share the passion/addiction and are also real skiers or wish to be:
We sell limited Swix products and could sell F4 because the market knows it from brand identity stand point and it does work well, that's why people like Natrat know about it (if I was smart, I'd carry it instead of products I believe in even though the market does not know about them on any reliable, money making scale), not based on comparing it to other options and overall value.....including durability. Personally, I'd rather spend less time and waste less material while waxing and overall cost by using a higher grade quality wax, that does glide well over a broader range of temperatures and conditions. Same for quality tools and other products. Over time, it is a better value to buy quality 'whatever' products, versus going cheap and having to buy more again.
I'm on skis a lot. Here, in the San Juans of SW Colorado, we can easily get a 30 degree temperature range and a high variety of snow conditions in a given day, depending on elevation and aspect. I ski out the back door at 7600 feet and up to over 13,000 in various locations. The sun can be super intense on one side and it'll be cold and dark in the trees on another. In 4,000 feet, you can literally go through a climatic change. Dry powder up high on a northern aspect to spring skiing down low, facing south, which is crust or ice on the morning. Couple that with long traverses requiring decent glide to get around. For anyone seriously interested in learning about glide, try skate skiing. Without much gravity negating finer differences, you can increase your sensitivity to minor differences.
I also believe that if you go cheap on wax, you will tend to waste more than if you spend a little more. Depending on your consumption level, it is very possible you could get over a season of use out of 250 grams of the RB Medium (read: 20 something dollars ). Again, in the interest of reducing time, resources and expense, experiment with whatever wax you have and really find out how long you truly need to go between waxings, depending on snow abrasiveness, duration and other factors. Compare in hours, not days.
From our Tuning Tips here is the video I put together on methods to minimize waxing time, material use and mess while maximizing the performance of your expensive skis:
Enjoy your day. Thanks for the support Finndog, Tromano, etc and let it go. We need more snow and focus on things that are important. I will be available as always via phone, emails, Facebook and our tuning tips. PMs are harder to respond to if I'm out 'product testing'. Direct email or calling is best. Sometimes I remember to call forward to my cell which has improving coverage is some pretty awesome places where I hope to be more often......like today.
Edit: Ramjet, I agree that aggressive structuring is the primary concern with spring/wet snows. Using a durable wax though is also a good idea since you can go from abrasive crust and coral reef to corn to slush in a spring day. A little LF does bump the glide. I like a medium vs a warm wax due to higher durability and the LF is more hydrophobic and provides increased glide.
I'm not sure that there is a downside to generally using LF in a universal or performance wax relative to glide. But there is an upside with increased glide in higher humidity and moisture content.
Edited by Alpinord - 12/10/10 at 9:55am