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Pulled the trigger on 191 Wrenegades

post #1 of 27
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After reading all the amazing reviews, and considering the options, I couldn't help myself any longer.

 

I'll be moving to Whistler Jan 1, and the Wren's will be my primary ski for the entire season.

 

Thoughts?

 

If I were to purchase a second ski for Whistler, what would you suggest? My first inclination is to go with the ON3P Jeronimo

or Blue Steele...

 

 

Cheers!

 

- O


Edited by Owen Perry - 12/7/10 at 6:09pm
post #2 of 27
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Just to add....

 

A major factor in my decision making process was the entire feeling I got from the company story, and company president, Scott.

 

You couldn't ask for a nicer guy.

 

You get a feeling that these guys put their heart and soul into every ski they make.

 

Very rarely would I ever buy something before I saw it in person, or got to ride it, but this was an easy decision.

post #3 of 27

Sounds like my story, but I ordered some ON3P Viciks.  After reading all the reviews and talking to the guys at the factory to help decide on which ski to get, I feel like they cannot possibly be anything but a sweet ride. Handmade skis, and they will customize the flex for you at less than the cost of a lot of skis made in China.  American made rocks!

post #4 of 27
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Yeah man...

 

It's a great vibe...

 

There's just so many positives going for these guys.

 

Next to Made In Canada, Made in the U.S.A. is my next choice :-)

 

Really happy about this purchase, and I haven't even received the skis yet! haha.

post #5 of 27
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Yeah man...

 

It's a great vibe...

 

There's just so many positives going for these guys.

 

Next to Made In Canada, Made in the U.S.A. is my next choice :-)

 

Really happy about this purchase, and I haven't even received the skis yet! haha.



I would imagine you will be getting a shipping notice this week for your Wren's. If you are looking to compliment the Wren's from something else within the ON3P line you could look at the Vicik. The 186 Vicik has the exact same running length as the 191 Wren, but with a tiny bit less stiffness, and a thinner profile. I have 3 days on the Vicik so far this season, and they have been some pretty smile inducing days. I'm sure you'll love the Wren. I have never heard anyone say a bad thing about it.

post #6 of 27
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You're just making me more giddy than I already am @Ecimmortal

 

Please stop.

 

 

As for the Vicik, you're right; it's a smaller, thinner Wren.

 

Which is also sort of the reason why I wouldn't want to use it as a complementary ski.

 

The reason I suggest ON3P Jeronimo or Blue Steele, is they're completely different skis and would add a bit of variety into the mix - not to mention improve my skills in other areas on the hill, like the park. You know what I'm saying?

 

Attached: photos of Vicik and Wren side by side that were posted to the ON3P website yesterday.

 

Link to full post: http://on3pskis.com/2010/12/skis-currently-in-stock-production-update/

 

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post #7 of 27

That picture is dear to my heart. I ordered Viciks with a Wren topsheet.  Looks like I should be getting them next week.drool.gif


Edited by mudfoot - 12/8/10 at 5:17pm
post #8 of 27

You will not "need" a complimentary ski.  I have the wrens.  They do it all, even at that width.

post #9 of 27

I went Billygoat and Vicik myself

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post #10 of 27
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You will not "need" a complimentary ski.  I have the wrens.  They do it all, even at that width.



You confidence brings a grin to my face.... soooooo stoked.

post #11 of 27
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Your*

post #12 of 27
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You will not "need" a complimentary ski.  I have the wrens.  They do it all, even at that width.


Bad advice, IMO. From my experiences, getting 110+ underfoot up on edge can really torque your ankles on old snow days. That said, I wouldn't go with either the Blue Steele or Jeronimo. They both have rocker and will be on the softer side - they're park skis with a strong soft-snow slant (a one-ski quiver for park rats and jibbers). I'd pick up a mid-stiff traditional ski with a flat tail in the 80s to complement the Wrens.

post #13 of 27

I bought my 191 Wrens last year and to say I love them would be an understatement...  I was so close to buying 195 Line Motherships and when reading some reviews on TGR I read a review that mentioned skis similiar and this is how I found out about ON3P...  Read their story from beginning to end and knew I had to support them and with their sale last year if I didnt like the ski I would not have been out that much...  I am now waiting on my 186 Grizzlycorn Viciks with extra carbon to stiffen it up a bit and I am completely stoked...  My buddy was so impressed with my Wrens from last year he purchased a pair of 191 Grizzlycorn Caylors and man are they sexy...  He was/is a big fan of the Hellbent and Scott designed the Caylor to address the short comings of the Hellbent and after seeing my buddies skis mission accomplished...  No doubt there are more ON3P skis in my future and I promise you will absolutely love the Wren - destroys crud and floats my 6'4" 205 lb frame with ease on POW days...

post #14 of 27
Thread Starter 

 

"186 Grizzlycorn Viciks with extra carbon to stiffen it up a bit."

 

@Buckeye - Now that's service! Custom graphics and made by hand in the USA. 

 

While ON3P is clearly new school in their designs, they really kick it old school with customer service.

 

@Brian Lindahl - Any specific suggestions? Was looking at the G3 Tonic or Fever. http://www.genuineguidegear.com/gear/skis/tonic 

 

Thoughts? 

 

 

post #15 of 27

Just got my Wrens in the mail today.

 

Me = One Happy Camper

post #16 of 27

Working late and hating it, and then at 11:08 PM I get the e-mail ON3P shipping notice telling me that my 186 Viciks with a little extra carbon underfoot and the Wren top sheets and bases (custom inside and out for no extra charge) are on the way, just in time for my holiday trip north to where the real snow is.  Life just got a whole lot better. 

 

Apparently the ON3P boys are also working late to make it happen for their customers.

 

 

Sometimes the light's all shining on me. . .    biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

post #17 of 27
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Working late and hating it, and then at 11:08 PM I get the e-mail ON3P shipping notice telling me that my 186 Viciks with a little extra carbon underfoot and the Wren top sheets and bases (custom inside and out for no extra charge) are on the way, just in time for my holiday trip north to where the real snow is.  Life just got a whole lot better. 

 

Apparently the ON3P boys are also working late to make it happen for their customers.

 

 

Sometimes the light's all shining on me. . .    biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif


They work INSANE hours pressing ski's. Everytime I go over to their shop it looks like the walking dead in there. They are easily put in 80 or more hours a week to get product out the door. Scott even pressed over Thanksgiving.

post #18 of 27
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They work INSANE hours pressing ski's. Everytime I go over to their shop it looks like the walking dead in there. They are easily put in 80 or more hours a week to get product out the door. Scott even pressed over Thanksgiving.


During the course of picking out and ordering my skis, I talked to both Scott and Rowen on the phone and by e-mail.  They really cared about making sure that the skis were right for me, and custom dialing them for my size and ability.  I sure hope those guys don't burn out, because if my skis are half as good as everybody says they will be, I'll be buying a pair of their bigger powder boards next year.  American, custom, hand-made by people who care.

 

Sometimes you can see the light, in the strangest of places, if you look at it right .. . .yahoo.gif
 

post #19 of 27

Just curious, what will the extra carbon under foot do, make the ski stiffer?

post #20 of 27
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Supposedly they're taking a much deserved break over Christmas... 

 

they really are a victim of their own success.
 

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They work INSANE hours pressing ski's. Everytime I go over to their shop it looks like the walking dead in there. They are easily put in 80 or more hours a week to get product out the door. Scott even pressed over Thanksgiving.


During the course of picking out and ordering my skis, I talked to both Scott and Rowen on the phone and by e-mail.  They really cared about making sure that the skis were right for me, and custom dialing them for my size and ability.  I sure hope those guys don't burn out, because if my skis are half as good as everybody says they will be, I'll be buying a pair of their bigger powder boards next year.  American, custom, hand-made by people who care.

 

Sometimes you can see the light, in the strangest of places, if you look at it right .. . .yahoo.gif
 

post #21 of 27
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Just curious, what will the extra carbon under foot do, make the ski stiffer?


I am 6'5" and weigh about 220 in the winter, before I but on my size 12.5 boots and other gear.  I had read in a post on TGR about how ON3P had built a pair of skis for a 290 lb guy and put in an entire layer of extra carbon to stiffen them.  When I talked to the guys at the factory about the Viciks I asked about the need to beef them up for my wieght.  Scott told me that the Viciks are a bit softer than the Wrens, but would still work fine for me.  After discussing it a little more I decided to add a little carbon just underfoot.  It will not change the overall flex pattern of the ski (even tip and tail "big smile"), but just make them hold better on the hardpack for my weight by beefing up the camber just a little.  It is my understanding that they have done this on several (if not all) of their models for a few skiers by request.

 

If I were just using the Viciks as powder skis I would have left them stock, but I was looking at them as more of an everyday (or at least most days) western driver, so I wanted to make sure they will rail on hard snow for a big guy.  I have M:EXs as a hard snow and bump ski, but I have a feeling the Viciks are going to be taking their place more and more as the season progresses.

 

According to Scott the extra carbon will make them just barely noticably stiffer than the stock Viciks, and not change the overall flex at all.  I obsessed a lot over the decision and went back and forth about whether or not to change them.  My decision was made when Scott said," Don't worry, we will dial them in just right for you."  Custom skis for the pre-sale (paid in July, getting the skis in December) price of $549.  I find that unbelievable, and everything I have read about ON3P raves about the quality and burliness of the construction. Even the regular price of $699 that you can buy them for now seems pretty amazing considering what the marginal quality stuff made in China costs.

post #22 of 27

I honestly can't decide if I would rather ski deep pow on my Billygoats or a few inches, and some windblown on Vicik's. Of course there is a bias towards wanting the deep pow, but I have so much fun on the Vicik as a daily driver. It was honestly love from the first turn.

post #23 of 27

I have had so much fun on my Billygoats that I have not broken into storage to get the old quiver out.

 

The BGs are fine at everything I throw then into, deep pow, and crud is their forte`, while hard bumps and groomers are entertaining.

 

I can actually lay deep railroad tracks in favorable groomer conditions.

 

The complement is certainly the Wren, the BG str8lining is a bit slow, I cannot keep up with the MX88s I see, and those boards do look fine in action, and with some Wrens, I'm sure to blast past them.

post #24 of 27

Mudfoot,

 

I did the exact same thing and I am one of the groupies that had them beefed up a bit...  I am 6'4" and 205lbs and had Scott stiffen my Viciks as well as I have the 191 Wrens and absolutely love the flex of the Wren (oh yeah - all time best ski I have been on)...  He said the flex would not be all that different from stock, but felt it was a good idea due to my size...!  Promise you it was the right thing to do...!  I want to replace my 190 Gold Goat and as a daily driver on the East and West coast and knew the Vicik would be the ski to do this...  My buddy got his 191 Caylors and was out on them and he spent all night going on and on about them and how absolutely solid they felt...  Love this company and love the skis they are coming out with...!

 

Oh yeah - stocked - just received my shipping notice for my 186 Billygoat Viciks...  I

post #25 of 27

Buckeye:

 

Your reasoning sounds the same as mine.  From what I could tell, nobody was complaining that the Wrens were too stiff, and being a bigger guy I thought the slightly softer Viciks might need a touch of beef to be just right for me.  It sounds like ON3P did that for several of their customers.  I almost bought Wrens, and then Billy Goats, but reality set in and I realized that Viciks would get the most mileage.

 

I anticipate that I will be getting some Caylors for the deep stuff next year, although I have heard a rumor (that ON3P would not admit or deny) that they may be coming up with something new.  Possibly a  combination of the Goat and C&D, but that is just a very vague rumor I picked up on TGR.  I am sure the ON3P crew is not in any condition to experiment until they finish up this year's production.  MF

post #26 of 27

Mudfoot,

 

For a big ski the Wren was a very easy ski to ski...  I did not find the flex stiff at all and like Powtron from TGR who turned me on to this ski stated I was blown away how killer this ski was in the POW and crud (skiied big and burly), but yet so easy to ski...!  Could not ask more from a ski...  The Caylor is interesting, but I am not a center mounted type skiier...  I raced for years so I like skis I can drive and lean into (ie - Wren, RC112, Mothership) - I am the anti jibber...  I also heard that their lineup is changing next year and def looking forward to it...  I promise you will love the product, build quality and as you have already witnessed their customer service is top notch...!

 

Buckeye

post #27 of 27

Got my Viciks today, although they are cleverly disguised with Wrenegade topsheets and bases. They look totally sweet. The little extra carbon underfoot flexes about right, but the proof is in the powder.  Already got them at the shop being mounted.  Taking off for a SLC, Jackson and Montana trip to give them a serious baptism.  The storm predicted for the Cottonwood Canyons just got upgraded to 24-30" by Monday, so it should be prime by the time I get there on Wednesday.  Things are coming together rather nicely, and I've got a feeling my new ON3Ps have some serious juju.biggrin.gif  Ski review to follow.   


Edited by mudfoot - 12/18/10 at 7:38am
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