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Wondering if any of the instructors on here have seen the videos on the blog by Bill Thistle (who I think may be a Bear on EpicSki and I believe is a bootfitter by trade). http://skiherenow.blogspot.com/p/chapters-1-to-6_27.html

 

VERY detailed discussion of biomechanics. Would be curious what other experts on here think?

post #2 of 12

Regarding the videos ... just curious ... were they shot in Dexter's kill room?

 

OK, just kidding. I actually have watched some and like them/find them interesting.

 

Still ... the decor ... a little disconcerting.  ;-)

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Regarding the videos ... just curious ... were they shot in Dexter's kill room?

 

OK, just kidding. I actually have watched some and like them/find them interesting.

 

Still ... the decor ... a little disconcerting.  ;-)


That's a great line and I've never even watched an episode of Dexter. roflmao.gif

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Wondering if any of the instructors on here have seen the videos on the blog by Bill Thistle (who I think may be a Bear on EpicSki and I believe is a bootfitter by trade). http://skiherenow.blogspot.com/p/chapters-1-to-6_27.html

 

VERY detailed discussion of biomechanics. Would be curious what other experts on here think?



Wasn't going to answer this at first because your filtered me out with "...other experts on here think?" but that's never stopped me from offering my opinion before.biggrin.gif

 

I like the videos and have communicated this to Ray and Bill.  Spent quite a bit of time with Bill on the phone (great guy by the way) discussing the videos and all sorts of ski related things.  I like the fact that so much time is spent explaining how/why it works when most instructional ski videos (at least the ones I've seen) make a single statement about it ("...due to modern ski design it is much easier for the recreational skier to carve a turn...") and get straight to clicking into your skis and teaching how to ski.  I think many folks, at least the poor soles that think/learn like me, benefit from understanding "how things work".  I'm not a real believer in "Trust me.  It will work."  I lke data backed up by science/math.  Preferably science and math that is easy to understand and these videos do that.

 

I think back to when I was teaching SCUBA diving and we spent a few hours in the class room going over how SCUBA gear works and doing dry land demos.  For (I'm guessing) greater than 99% of new skiers, the first class is on snow and they are probably clicked into their skis or within 15 minutes of being clicked into skis.

 

I'magine getting your first SCUBA lesson floating on the surface of the ocean wearing SCUBA gear and you don't even know how to use it! eek.gif

 

Maybe PSIA should look at PADI's teaching model and see how many never evers SCUBA divers return to diving compared to never ever skiers.

 

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Wondering if any of the instructors on here have seen the videos on the blog by Bill Thistle (who I think may be a Bear on EpicSki and I believe is a bootfitter by trade). http://skiherenow.blogspot.com/p/chapters-1-to-6_27.html

 

VERY detailed discussion of biomechanics. Would be curious what other experts on here think?



Wasn't going to answer this at first because your filtered me out with "...other experts on here think?" but that's never stopped me from offering my opinion before.biggrin.gif

 

I like the videos and have communicated this to Ray and Bill.  Spent quite a bit of time with Bill on the phone (great guy by the way) discussing the videos and all sorts of ski related things.  I like the fact that so much time is spent explaining how/why it works when most instructional ski videos (at least the ones I've seen) make a single statement about it ("...due to modern ski design it is much easier for the recreational skier to carve a turn...") and get straight to clicking into your skis and teaching how to ski.  I think many folks, at least the poor soles that think/learn like me, benefit from understanding "how things work".  I'm not a real believer in "Trust me.  It will work."  I lke data backed up by science/math.  Preferably science and math that is easy to understand and these videos do that.

 

I think back to when I was teaching SCUBA diving and we spent a few hours in the class room going over how SCUBA gear works and doing dry land demos.  For (I'm guessing) greater than 99% of new skiers, the first class is on snow and they are probably clicked into their skis or within 15 minutes of being clicked into skis.

 

I'magine getting your first SCUBA lesson floating on the surface of the ocean wearing SCUBA gear and you don't even know how to use it! eek.gif

 

Maybe PSIA should look at PADI's teaching model and see how many never evers SCUBA divers return to diving compared to never ever skiers.

 

 

Dec 8, 2010

 

Hi Wags:

 

Thanks for providing the link to this blog.  Was much impressed by watching "How to teach a carve turn" clip.  I agree with L&Air&C that author took so much time in demonstrating and showing us that simple move and how important a ewide stance is.  Over the years, many coaches have told me, shouted at me from the lifts "Widen your stance".  Maybe a few even tried to explain the reason to me.  However, with this "video worth a thousand volumes", I now have the reasoning, impetus and motive to "widen it". The address to this blog is now part of my Firefox Bookmarks.  Again, a big thank you from an average skiing stiff (not an expert by any means).

 

Hi L&Air&C:

 

Just a question off thread.  Does your natural bent in "getting to the bottom of things" come naturally or from your service with the Corps or both?  I know that in the Armed Services, whichever branch, many a time, our service men/women have to make do with what's on hand (e.g. not enough adequate body armour for foot warriors in the early stages of the 2nd Iraqi war).  They also have to make use to the fullest potential, equipment, training, material,personnel  etc which the government  sees fit to provide.  Being from the smaller branch, which often gets the short end of the appropriations stick (e.g. during the 1st Iraqi war, Army armoured units went to war in M1 Abrams while Marines still drove the M60 MBT), Over time, Marines have developed this "make do/make full use" spirit to the highest degree. So is this "getting to the bottom of things" just a natural consequence of "making full use"?  After reading many of your responses, I've come to respect your judgments/arguments.  If I ever go to war (not likely, since I'm almost a grandfather now), I would like share the same foxhole as youicon14.gif.

 

Think snow,

 

CP 


 

post #6 of 12

Charlie,

 

First; you don't want to share my fighting hole since I am a grandfather!  biggrin.gif  I will however know who has beer or hard whisky in their fighting hole.

 

I apreciate the Scarlet and Gold too.

 

It's both.

 

Sent you a PM.

 

Ken

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Very nice blog. Well presented theory and great skiing. BTW, who was the third guy in the "carving aspen" video? The one with the red boots and no helmet. He was carving some nice tracks and using a bunch of different approaches. Also, Ive seen the video before. And the 100% carving video. But never knew there was so much more to it. Good work Bill icon14.gif.

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Very nice blog. Well presented theory and great skiing. BTW, who was the third guy in the "carving aspen" video? The one with the red boots and no helmet. He was carving some nice tracks and using a bunch of different approaches. Also, Ive seen the video before. And the 100% carving video. But never knew there was so much more to it. Good work Bill icon14.gif.

 

The "third guy in the "carving aspen" video" http://tinyurl.com/374hpyk  is also Bill, I think that must have been shot 6 or 7 years ago, before he started wearing a helmet.  

post #9 of 12

Ray, very nice skiing by Bill. Especially the footage from above was good. Cool camera angle. Great carving and great tracks. I liked his skiing better in the old clips. 

 

Also, its funny how he is using a language of his own in the theory sessions. Sort of like annother Cookie experiance. Using many words that are not used on epic or elsewhere. Refreshing.

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Wondering if any of the instructors on here have seen the videos on the blog by Bill Thistle (who I think may be a Bear on EpicSki and I believe is a bootfitter by trade). http://skiherenow.blogspot.com/p/chapters-1-to-6_27.html

 

VERY detailed discussion of biomechanics. Would be curious what other experts on here think?


Wags,

Did you think some of the concepts Bill presented would be more controversial then the responses indicate?
 

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I think a few years ago there would have been a more concerted loyal opposition to this style of instruction on the Epicski forums.  However, a lot of those posters have been banned or shooed away. 

 

I know his video on carving came up on the PMTS forums about a year ago and it was roundly derided by the folks there who prefer that sort of instructional approach.

 

For me, technique discussions and differences aside, I just never went for those instructors (in any field) who talk you to death.  Which is what comes across in the carving video.

 

As for the multi-chapter discussions on ski design and biomechanics-well, it's a different approach than you usually encounter in on line 'ski lessons' and it's pretty informative and I suspect a lot of folks might find it useful as well as interesting.


Edited by Liam - 12/14/10 at 9:23am
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Why should we waste time actively opposing something like this?  It wasn't posted here, only linked.  I watched some of it and found it incredibly long and tedious, but not necessarily wrong.  In fact he backed up what I said about knee angulation in the mogul tips thread.  As for terms that some have never heard before, I have heard them plenty, but not generally in my training clinics on the mountain.  As for the "Cookie Experience"....  She never said anything that wasn't just PSIA Kool-Aid.  I still haven't met her and I've been to The Village almost everyday.  She is not a trainer at the JHMR.  She was never "wrong", just dogmatic and unrelenting.

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