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Is it me or is it the Ski's? Considering upgrading from K2 PE's to Volkl AC30

post #1 of 9
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Hey all,

 

I'm 6.1, 230lbs and have been skiing a maybe 5 or 6 years now, but ony a few days per year. I ski'd rentals in Europe and was intermediate i would say.. Full of confidence, ran Blues fast and smooth, could make my way down any black, though pretty tentativly.

 

So, i move to Vancouver, purchased boots and ski's and it seems like all the ability is gone!

The first two years my feet would feel like they had been beaten by the bottom of every run, to the point where i coudl barely stand in the line for the lift.. I changed boots twice and the latest set seem to have improved, though not to the point of being comfortable by any means.

 

I have K2 Public enemys, recommmended by the guy in the local big box store and it seems that the ski's are very unstable when going in any way fast and i am struggling to get down even blues due to effort turning and the skis catching bumps etc that i thought i used to handle easily..

Last year i found that the skis seemed to occasionally catch the snow (one ski woudl catch going in a straight line)  throwing me completley off balance and in deeper snow i couldnt get the speed up to float on the top, more wallowing through it.

 

I brought them into the shop to get a service done in prep for this years season and the guy there tells me that the K2 is an entry level brand and are kids ski's. Cheap, cheerful but not very good. He recommmended getting a pair of Volkl AC50's or AC30's and said it would be smooth & stable and result in a completely different experience. BMW to a hyundai were his words.

 

Yet, i read PE reviews and they all say they are excellent skis..

 

I ski groomers only, no offpiste, no park, but would certinly like to be doing offpiste if i had the confidence back again..

 

So, is it me or is it the ski's that are unsuited to by size and style.. Would upgrading to a different ski result in a different feel and a better ride? woudl anyone have recommendations as to what ski woudl suit?

 

Thanks for your advice..

post #2 of 9

I own a pair of K2 PE and love them, find them very 'all-mountain'. They really are a 'park' ski but I never venture there myself.

The Volkl AC30 I believe is more of a groomer ski.

 

I wouldn't say it is an 'upgrade' since they are different skis altogether.

 

I don't really have an answer to your question, but think the salesperson is just trying to make a sale.

K2 is NOT entry level, they have skis for beginner through expert like any good brand

 

Can you do any demos?

 

If you ever make it up to Whistler, they have free demos on the mountains - in a white igloo shaped hut beside the Roundhouse on Whistler and Glacier Creek Lodge on Blackcomb (they are not open yet, but will be soon). all you need is a credit card for insurance, and you can demo all day long (around 1-1.5 hours per ski)

post #3 of 9

Welcome to Epic. Sounds as if you have two issues, twin skis that are too light (and short?) for you on a big mountain, and boots that aren't fit right. So in order: Go to a good boot fitter, not a big box store, and fix that problem first. Then, if your K2's are too short (probably), sell them and try demoing some more skis. Volkl AC50's might work well, but they're kinda unidimensional for your part of the world, and not much float for your size. I'd try out something more in the 100-105 mm range, Dynastar, Blizzard, Elan, Volkl all make nice skis in that range that can hold up to your size and give you a bit more float. 

post #4 of 9

For a start, it sounds like your boots may be too big, causing you to need to crank your buckles down so tight that it crushes your foot.  A friend of mine with new boots last year had the same problem his first day in the boots.  I took his liners out and checked the shell fit and there was about 3-4 times as much space between his heel and the shell as there should have been.  They never even did a shell fit check when he bought them from the box sports store.  I had him return the boots the next day for a pair that was a couple of sizes smaller and now his feet are happy.

 

Did the shop do a shell fit test (bare feet inside the shells only) before they sold you the boots?  What is your street shoe size and what's the size of your boot?

 

Regarding ski performance, you're a pretty big boy but you didn't mention what length skis you have.  You might simply be on something that's too short for your size.  What length are you on?

 

The final comment is that if you've been skiing on them without having them properly tuned after you bought them, then that could be a cause of the ski performance problem too.  Most skis need to be tuned when new to guarantee the bases are flat and the edge angles are true, or they won't ski properly.  Every time I've ever skied a new ski out of the wrapper without having it machine tuned first, I've regretted it.  Once tuned, they have behaved like a different ski.  It can make a tremendous difference.  Have you ever had them properly tuned?

post #5 of 9

 I'm 240 lbs, spent a week on 159 K2 Fujatives (way softer and turnier) and loved em, great in bumps, ripped through trees with ease,  could lay trenches at high speed, stable enough to be comfortable straight lining chopped up groomers.

 

It's not what you want to hear (and the people here on epic are generally polite to the point of dishonesty, which is often detrimental) but it's you.

 

If anything, the k2 PE might be too much ski for you in good tune, I bet the rentals you have always been on had very dull edges, which is very forgiving and great for sliding around on in a wedge. Your best bet would probably be professional instruction to learn how to ski with your new, sharp edges. (after visiting a good boot fitter)

 

post #6 of 9

Fix your boots first. Then take a private lesson and do everythign the instructor tells you. Then ski for a month, then decide if you like the skis or not.

 

What length are your skis? I am the same size as the OP and I thought the 179 PE was plenty of ski for me for all mountain use on the front side.

 

Also you could try tweaking the mount point, back will make it more stable, forward will make it more carvy.

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Originally Posted by karpiel View Post

If anything, the k2 PE might be too much ski for you in good tune, I bet the rentals you have always been on had very dull edges, which is very forgiving and great for sliding around on in a wedge. Your best bet would probably be professional instruction to learn how to ski with your new, sharp edges. (after visiting a good boot fitter)

 

 The above definitely applies for a few days a year skier with boots that don't fit.


Edited by tromano - 12/6/10 at 6:24pm
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 

Hi all 

 

Couple of good points there..

 

On the boots i went to a pro shop last year for a new pair and then back to them to get various points punched out.. Hopefully they should be ok now, but for sure the first two years they were impacting the skiing.

 

On the tuning, it was definatly not done the first year, i just took them and ski'd. I did bring them in to a big box store to get waxed and sharpened last year, but i don't know if they would tune the base while sharpening. I didn't ask for it at least.

 

I'll ask the shop who is sharpening the edges to do the base too and see how they go this year, and i'll take the advice to get some lessons..

 

I'll try the demos too.. I'm curious at least to see what sort of a difference a pure goomer ski makes versus the PE's..

 

Thanks for all your help..

 


Edited by secrets - 12/6/10 at 10:00pm
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post #9 of 9

160 is a bit short for all mountain I would say. But for an intermediate might be ok. Demo some different skis. I like the PE but there are better skis for learning on.

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