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New skis seem too heavy.

post #1 of 11
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2 years ago I demo'd all season and liked Dynastar Mythic Legends. I purchased a demo pair from Powder 7 (like these but 2009: http://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/model/Dynastar-Legend-Mythic-Rider-Skis-172cm-Used-2010) for last season but felt like I could not handle them. Possible reasons include: 1) I got 172's and probably demo'd 165's, 2) the binding is a demo binding and the plate adds weight and 3) I am a wuss. I am wondering now whether the bindings can be remounted without the demo plate, and whether that will significantly reduce weight. If so, I might keep them; otherwise I plan to sell at a big loss. I'd appreciate any advice.

post #2 of 11

The simplest and cheapest way to change the way your skis handle is to change the tune.  If they are too sharp all the way to the tips and tails it can make them unmanageable.  Before selling the demos they probably ran them over a grinder to renew the bottoms and edges. If they were not detuned properly after that it can case serious steering problems.  You may want to have that checked before you abandon the skis.

 

Also, 1, 2 and 3 of your post could be true.  Generally it is not possible to flat mount demo bindings without the plate, but that is another question for your local shop.

post #3 of 11

Assuming that is exactly the ski you demoed but in a different length, they may be too long for you; we do not know enough about your weight, proficiency, where you ski, etc. to make a judgement on that. 

 

However, I doubt that the extra weight of the plates and demo bindings makes much difference to your skiing.  They are directly under your boot, and contribute little to the swing weight of the ski (which is what you feel while skiing).  That said, they certainly do weigh a lot more while carrying your skis, and when they are hanging off your foot on the chair, and some people do prefer a lighter package.

 

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

5'8", 165 lbs, pretty good skier but not very strong, happiest on steeps, ski mostly Utah, some JH, PNW, and east.

 

Interesting point re swing weight vs. dead weight - no doubt I am reacting to the latter.

post #5 of 11

I am 5' 11", 180# and have the Mythic Rider in 172cm and 178cm.  178cm is the ideal length for me but I sometimes use the 172cm length if I know I'll be skiing lots of bumps or I'm just feeling lazy.  172cm should be the ideal length for you.  As for the weight, I have both mounted with Rossignol bindings which are not the lightest bindings out there.  While the skis might feel a bit heavy on the chair they definitely ski light.

 

Make sure your Mythic Riders are properly tuned.  Often shops do a quicky tune before selling demos leaving the edges beveled wrong and bottoms covered with cheap wax.  It is amazing how much difference a proper edge sharpening and wax job makes especially with used skis.  I ski mine with a 2 degree side bevel and 1 degree base bevel.

 

Another suggestion is to make sure your boot center mark is over the ski center mark.  If your boot is back it will exaggerate the front swing weight.

post #6 of 11

Can you weigh them? You might be able to get some input from others on how heavy their ski/binding combos are and decide whether it's worth changing. FWIW, I have a pair of 170 Atomic SX11 with the original Neox bindings (before some steel was replaced with aluminum) and they weigh over 16 lbs / pair. You really feel it on the lift with no footrest but when skiing it's never been an issue.

post #7 of 11

Sounds like for whatever reason, short skis, poor tune, hard snow, dust on crust, etc. you were able to push the skis you demoed around, and now your new skis are not letting you do that.  You can either try to make the ski easier to bully (detune), cheat by moving the bindings a little forward, or learn to tip them and have them start turning you instead of pushing them around.  Or a combination of all three.   I suggest you spend some time experimenting on a blue slope and discover what you can make them want to do instead of trying to force them to do what you want them to do.  Just tip the tips and drive them forwards and they should turn by themselves, and turn you along with them.

post #8 of 11

I think you'll get the most benefit from changing your binding mount position.  This actually sounds like a classic case of being on the wrong spot on the ski - this isn't a tuning issue.  "Heavy" feeling tells me that the ski isn't reacting the way you want it to when you're attempting to turn it.  Moving your binding mount position forward by 5-10mm at a time and re-testing is the way to go IMO.

 

Luckily you have demo binders on the skis so they'll make the process relatively easy.  Learn how to move both your toe and heel piece by equal amounts without changing the overall length (which matches your boot's BSL).

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

Interesting suggestion, I'll try this. My (unposted) reaction to the previous post was that I was not pushing the ski's I demo'd around - that was why they were fun. So I know what they want to do - I am just not able to stay forward enough to get them to do it.

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Interesting suggestion, I'll try this. My (unposted) reaction to the previous post was that I was not pushing the ski's I demo'd around - that was why they were fun. So I know what they want to do - I am just not able to stay forward enough to get them to do it.


Some good suggestions here. As Noodler suggested, maybe you are off the boot center mount. Check that first, then as Ghost suggested, tip those suckers up on an edge, get over the fronts and drive them. My Mythic Riders are my everyday ski. I have a few lbs on youROTF.gif at 200, but I am 5'10" and rock my 184's. That said, I think the 172 should really work for you. You could remount with px12's, but play with the demo bindings first to see what is up.

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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

I think you'll get the most benefit from changing your binding mount position.  This actually sounds like a classic case of being on the wrong spot on the ski - this isn't a tuning issue.  "Heavy" feeling tells me that the ski isn't reacting the way you want it to when you're attempting to turn it.  Moving your binding mount position forward by 5-10mm at a time and re-testing is the way to go IMO.

 

Luckily you have demo binders on the skis so they'll make the process relatively easy.  Learn how to move both your toe and heel piece by equal amounts without changing the overall length (which matches your boot's BSL).

 

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Originally Posted by drb View Post

Interesting suggestion, I'll try this. My (unposted) reaction to the previous post was that I was not pushing the ski's I demo'd around - that was why they were fun. So I know what they want to do - I am just not able to stay forward enough to get them to do it.

 

Well then bindings too far back it must be.  Heck ,they're demo bindings!  Move them forward an inch or two, then keep moving them half way between too far forward and too far back until you get them dialed in.
 

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