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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

Finally got a day in on my Prophet 100's. I am glad I took the advice of the forum and went with the 186. (5'11" 185 fairly aggressive)

I have them mounted with Barons on the mid mark. I had a decent upper pitch with a ton of ungroomed man-made and an intermediate runout that started out soft groomed and ended up sketchy to try them out on. Did a fast soft groomer run and the ski lays and holds a nice stable edge. Nice even flex pattern. Took them on the soft pow/chow bumps, tree edges and this is where this ski really shined. I couldn't believe how fast this ski turns in soft snow. It is amazing how maneuverable a ski this wide is. Once the trees fill in I know the tightest lines will be no problem. The lower mtn got scratchy later in the day and while the ski is not at its best, it's by no means uncomfortable or unstable. Highly recommend for softer conditions. Very stable, fast edge to edge crudbuster. Can't wait for a dump to try them in deeper conditions

post #2 of 24

glad you are enjoying your ski. I also own the prophet 100s in 186, and am the same height and weight, happy I went with that length. Havent had a chance to ski yet this season. How did you tune yours? I am not quite sure whether or not to detune the tips, and what particular base edge/side edge.

post #3 of 24

Have the same skis. I suggest you don't detune them til you try them. They are not hooky and being a true twin tip means they release very nicely.

post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 

Currently I am using what came out of the box. I got them for a soft snow/off piste ski so when I do get them done, I'll get at least a degree on the base. I had them out today in much firmer conditions and they do hold but you have to really pressure it. 

post #5 of 24

I skid these at Squaw today (soft snow of mixed depth) and thought they were very fun - nimble and maneuverable.  The demos I had (179cm) were mounted back, though, rather than center.  I'm wondering how a 186cm mounted at the recommended point would compare.

 

I also felt they weren't at their best in harder stuff, but didn't feel unstable at reasonable speed...

post #6 of 24

I live in the northeast so its rather icy and hard conditions generally. I enjoy them very much. I felt like they hold pretty well, but I skied mine untuned. I think that if I tuned them they would perform much better. I really like the feel of the wider skis and how stable they are. I ski them mounted on the suggested line. Have any of you prophet riders tried the mantras before? how do they perform compared to the prophet 100?

 

@castle dave: does a twin release easier particularly on soft snow, because the rear floats more? or does it also release easier on hard pack?

 

post #7 of 24

I found them to be very different from the Mantras. More playful, turny.  Mantras are stiff and feel heavier.

post #8 of 24

 

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Have any of you prophet riders tried the mantras before? how do they perform compared to the prophet 100?

 

I've owned two pr. of Mantras but never really warmed up to them. I found that despite the width, it is clearly better on harder snow than in softer. The tail on the Mantra is just too stiff for my tastes. OTH, I owned a P-100 all last year and felt it was a much better ski in softer conditions, but conversely not as good on the harder stuff. Since I want a ski in this width range to be softer snow biased, the P-100 was the clear winner for me.

 

 

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but I skied mine untuned. I think that if I tuned them they would perform much better.

 

All skis can benefit from a good tune. It is best to find a shop that does this work by hand with files and stones rather than by machines.(BTW...this may or may not be easy to find) While some skis are at least skiable out of the wrapper, no ski will deliver its full potential that way.

 

SJ

post #9 of 24

have you found a ski that feels in between the p-100 and mantra? has the rail like stability of the mantra and playfulness of the p100? seems like that would be an ideal ski!

 

stockli skis look interesting...would the storm rider pro fill that gap? or maybe rotor 106

 

Jim, what kind of tune do you recommend for the p100, for use mostly on hardpack?

 

post #10 of 24
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I am glad I took the advice of the forum...

Words to live by...biggrin.gif

 

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have you found a ski that feels in between the p-100 and mantra? has the rail like stability of the mantra and playfulness of the p100? seems like that would be an ideal ski!

Not Jim, and you're asking for a ski that doesn't exist, but candidates that come to mind might include Nordica Enforcer, Blizzard One, or Kastle MX98. Kastles will grip as well or better, suspect the Blizzard Ones are more playful. The Solomon Shogun also seems to figure in to your hypothetical...
 

post #11 of 24
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I am glad I took the advice of the forum...

Words to live by...biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by fjcruizin View Post

have you found a ski that feels in between the p-100 and mantra? has the rail like stability of the mantra and playfulness of the p100? seems like that would be an ideal ski!

Not Jim, and you're asking for a ski that doesn't exist, but candidates that come to mind might include Nordica Enforcer, Blizzard One, or Kastle MX98. Kastles will grip as well or better, suspect the Blizzard Ones are more playful. The Solomon Shogun also seems to figure in to your hypothetical...
 


ON3P Vicik
 

post #12 of 24



while I agree the enforcer and LAST YEARS mx98 are similar, I don't see "the one" in this grouping. Just my .02, Also, the new MX98 is much different, no metal softer flex with small early rise rocker, and "the one" is moderate flex with pretty decent run with low rise rocker on tip/tail. I agree the Shogun could be added to that list.

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Originally Posted by brn2skifst View Post

I am glad I took the advice of the forum...

Words to live by...biggrin.gif

 

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Originally Posted by fjcruizin View Post

have you found a ski that feels in between the p-100 and mantra? has the rail like stability of the mantra and playfulness of the p100? seems like that would be an ideal ski!

Not Jim, and you're asking for a ski that doesn't exist, but candidates that come to mind might include Nordica Enforcer, Blizzard One, or Kastle MX98. Kastles will grip as well or better, suspect the Blizzard Ones are more playful. The Solomon Shogun also seems to figure in to your hypothetical...
 

post #13 of 24

I'd recommend giving the Sentinel a shot... I found it a bit more "interactive" than the Mantra, but certainly not as playful as the P100.

post #14 of 24
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have you found a ski that feels in between the p-100 and mantra? has the rail like stability of the mantra and playfulness of the p100? seems like that would be an ideal ski!

 

 


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OK....seriously now. The combo does not exist because the stiffness that gives you the "rail" will detract from the playfulness. Two skis that will shade toward the "rail" a bit while being more versatile than the Mantra are the Enforcer and the Blizzi Atlas. The Sentinel is a pretty stiff ski but the tail has a better flex than the Mantra and the tip rise helps initiation. The Dynastar Sultan 94 shades closer to the P-100 in playful but still has more power. The "One" is more playful in most conditions than the Prophet but it's not a noodle either. While grippy in the center, the One definitely has a shorter contact area and will not feel the same as a conventional ski in turn transitions. The low amplitude of the rise on the One is such that it's not hard to get accustomed to but it for sure feels different than say a Sultan or Enforcer. Not better or worse....just different.

 

SJ

post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 

I mounted the 100's center which probably helps the "quick" feel. I got a nice .5 base 2 degree side, tune on my AC40's soo I have the firm stuff covered now bring on the fluff so I can try the 100's in the  trees!

post #16 of 24

can someone please explain to me why a twin tip releases more easily? does it do that particularly in thicker snow because it floats more, or also on groomers?

 

post #17 of 24

I honestly don't know why twin tips release more easily I just know they do.  It's not because they 'float' more and I don't think it's because they are softer. (The P100 is not a particularly soft ski). This sounds really stupid but maybe it's because they don't have 'pointy corners' digging into the snow. Perhaps a more knowledgable member knows the reason. 

post #18 of 24

My guess is that you're right about the "pointy corners" . Seems most folks on twin tips are "new school" and therefore typically on their heels and swiveling the skis (at least the ones I see). I assume that if you actually know how to use the whole ski (not just from the foot rearward) then factors other then tail shape would be of greater significance. Frankly the only time I feel a "difficuty to release " with any ski is when I'm in the backseat. Full Disclosure: I've never ridden a twin, but I do have a pair coming !  

post #19 of 24

sweet which ones did you get?

 

i have noticed that some "flat" skis, still have a lil bit of a up turned tip. so an all mountain twin still has basically the same contact point, but just some extra tail...

post #20 of 24

Thought I would respond to your post.  I am 5'10" 185 and a strong, high end skier - Ski Utah and the Sierras and own a pair of Mantras + Profit 100s.  These skis are really quite different in my book.  I call the Mantra and all mountain ski.  Firm flex, loves to carve on all but the hardest, generally good crud buster if not too deep and set up, stable at speed, BUT a powder ski it is not.  Sure at 6-12 inches it is OK, but the stiffness takes away from the float and fun you would hope for in a ski of this width.  The ski is also sluggish in the trees.  For our conditions out here, its a fine ski for those high pressure periods, but when it dumps, I opt for something else.

 

The Profit 100 is a better all around fit for what we ski.  Does not carve quite as well as the Mantra on firm snow, but does a fine job.  Where the P100 does shine is in soft groomers, crud and untracked up to 1 1/2 to 2 feet.  Beyond that, bring out the surfboards.  This ski is buttery smooth in the cop and crud - floats well and is stable [186] until your eyes start watering.  Great ski for the front side in soft snow conditions, fresh, sidecountry and trees - just close your eyes and turn.  IMO far more fun than the Mantra in these conditions.  

 

The Mantra skis true to size, but keep in mind the Profit with twin tips and an overstated measuring system skis short.  Any decent skier of average build or larger should go for the 186.

 

Overall, both are great skis, its more a matter of choosing the right tool for the job.  Me, I prefer the Profit for conditions in the west.

post #21 of 24
I am same stature as you and went for the 186. Like everyone says, they ski short and the 186 is perfect, agree with your review exactly. I have had some pow experience with them. You are in for a treat. Terrific ski.
post #22 of 24

After demoing both the 179 and the 186, the 186 didn't feel too long so I ended up buying the 186 as well (also similar size - 5'10", 185 lbs).  The ski is nimble and I had a great time skiing some fresh untracked at Squaw last weekend (hopefully to repeat this weekend).

 

I'm very soft-snow biased so went with this over some other skis I was considering (e.g. Salomon Sentinel).

post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 

I have to say again (after 4 more days on the 100's) how much I like this ski. It is remarkably nimble in the bumps for a 186. It is so much fun in crud and floats well. It holds remarkably well at speed on all but the firmest conditions. It is a one-ski quiver for all but the firmest conditions or more than knee deep.

post #24 of 24

Johnnyz, you can see the layer of die-cut titanol through the topsheet. Along with the wood core, this is what your bindings will attach to.
 

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