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All-around ski that is good in the moguls?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

I don't want a mogul-specific ski.  I want a good all-around east coast ski that is good in the moguls.

 

I'm 6', 180 lbs, been skiing for more than 40 years, used to charge pretty hard but have slowed down a little since hitting the half-century mark.  I currently have Dynamic VR17 (recreational slalom ski) in 173cm (63mm underfoot), Nordica Afterburners in 178cm (84mm underfoot), and Scott Punishers in 191cm (90mm underfoot).  The Nordicas are actually pretty great in the moguls, but I just don't trust the system bindings on them anymore.  I have stepped out of those bindings at some very inopportune times (chasing BWPA in the Cirque at Snowbird and chasing Liv4Ski on Redline at Magic).  The Punishers are great in Utah, Tahoe, and (hopefully) Jackson Hole, but too long and wide for EC bumps.

 

So short of a mogul-specific ski, who knows of good EC skis that rock in the bumps?  Oh, and I'm a cheapskate so if they're a couple of model years old, that would be even better.

 

TIA

post #2 of 17


 

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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

I don't want a mogul-specific ski.  I want a good all-around east coast ski that is good in the moguls.

 

I'm 6', 180 lbs, been skiing for more than 40 years, used to charge pretty hard but have slowed down a little since hitting the half-century mark.  I currently have Dynamic VR17 (recreational slalom ski) in 173cm (63mm underfoot), Nordica Afterburners in 178cm (84mm underfoot), and Scott Punishers in 191cm (90mm underfoot).  The Nordicas are actually pretty great in the moguls, but I just don't trust the system bindings on them anymore.  I have stepped out of those bindings at some very inopportune times (chasing BWPA in the Cirque at Snowbird and chasing Liv4Ski on Redline at Magic).  The Punishers are great in Utah, Tahoe, and (hopefully) Jackson Hole, but too long and wide for EC bumps.

 

So short of a mogul-specific ski, who knows of good EC skis that rock in the bumps?  Oh, and I'm a cheapskate so if they're a couple of model years old, that would be even better.

 

TIA


find a midish 170 sub 85 mm  twin tip with a pretty straight sidecut.

 

 

post #3 of 17


 

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post


 

Quote:
Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

I don't want a mogul-specific ski.  I want a good all-around east coast ski that is good in the moguls.

 

I'm 6', 180 lbs, been skiing for more than 40 years, used to charge pretty hard but have slowed down a little since hitting the half-century mark.  I currently have Dynamic VR17 (recreational slalom ski) in 173cm (63mm underfoot), Nordica Afterburners in 178cm (84mm underfoot), and Scott Punishers in 191cm (90mm underfoot).  The Nordicas are actually pretty great in the moguls, but I just don't trust the system bindings on them anymore.  I have stepped out of those bindings at some very inopportune times (chasing BWPA in the Cirque at Snowbird and chasing Liv4Ski on Redline at Magic).  The Punishers are great in Utah, Tahoe, and (hopefully) Jackson Hole, but too long and wide for EC bumps.

 

So short of a mogul-specific ski, who knows of good EC skis that rock in the bumps?  Oh, and I'm a cheapskate so if they're a couple of model years old, that would be even better.

 

TIA


find a midish 170 sub 85 mm  twin tip with a pretty straight sidecut.

 

 

http://www.levelninesports.com/4Frnt-Pique-All-Mountain-Ski these could be cool but never have seen a review of them..
 

 

post #4 of 17

What else do you want them to be good at?

 

What bindings are you going to put on them?

 

A cheap option.

 

A better option.


Edited by tromano - 12/4/10 at 4:49pm
post #5 of 17

It also depends on how you like to ski bumps.  It seems like narrower skis are stiff and made with metal.  So a wider ski would offer more options in the trees and bumps maybe,  but lack performance on the rest of the hill and if you ever encounter iceeek.gif

 

Your Nordi, since it has no metal, could be a pretty good choice.  I love my top fuels in the bumps, but they are too stiff.

post #6 of 17

I assume "good all-around east cost ski" means something that can handle ice and that is good in moguls.  Of the skis I list below, only the PE/Extreme, and possibly the Nitrous and wider version of the Troublemaker, are skis I would choose when there is 4" - 6" of fresh snow on the ground.

 

Tromano's "better option" looks like a good choice to me, but I haven't skied the Sultans myself.

 

All of these are older models that are good in bumps and that can hold an edge on eastern ice (some of them meet Bushwacker's criteria):

 

K2 Public Enemy/Extreme (85 mm waist)

 

Dynastar Troublemaker (either the 81 mm waist version or the earlier 77-78 mm waist version)

 

Salomon CR Johnson Lab (getting tough to find now, it's a 79 mm waist 2005? 1080 with a wood core), a bit on the stiff side but tenacious grip on ice, only the RX8 is = or better on ice

 

Fischer RX8 (I haven't tried the Progressor 8+, it might be just as good)

 

One of my friends likes the (07/08 or 08/09, non TI version of the) Nordica Nitrous in bumps.  Since you have the Afterburners you should have a pretty good idea how the skinnier (78 mm waist) Nitrous would ski.

 

STE

post #7 of 17
I think that my Volkl AC30's 170 would work well for you. They are the most versatile all mountain ski I have ever owned. My last pair were the Nordica HR Nitrous 170 and I like these much better in every way. Trees, bumps, ice, crud, groomers, soft snow, any turn shape, these boards do it all!

Which ever model you choose, make sure they have a modest tail width that tapers and turns up at the tail end. You don't neccessarily need a full twin tip unless you plan on playing in the park or skiing switch alot. The squared off tails common on many carving skis just don't work well in the bumps as the tails don't want to release and slide a bit, which you need for bumps.

Good Luck,

Rick G
post #8 of 17

If I still lived in Stowe I'd have something like a Sultan 85 or maybe a Nordica HR Burner for that task. While neither is astonishingly good on pure ice they are quite good enough and I'm not 100% sure I'd be spending a lot of time on the FF on those transparent days anyhow. If you really wanna ski those kind of trails on those kind of days.....I think your helmet is more important than your skis.

 

IAC...........about the last thing I would choose would be an "ice pick" type of ski like a Volkl AC anything. While grippy as hell, they lack the ability to go "slythryn" when you need them to. I would pick a  Blizzard 8.1 over the Volkl AC-30 every day and twice on Sunday because it is more versatile but even that one may be a little grippy for that particular task. Remember that skiing very hard moguls is not about trying to grind down the whole durned thing on your edges, it is about a soft(ish) touch through most of the turn and a quick hit in just the right spot to redirect. Even that quick hit needs to be feathered onto and then off of the edge.

 

Soft ankles, soft core, medium skis is about right.....at least for my tastes. 

 

SJ

post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

about the last thing I would choose would be an "ice pick" type of ski like a Volkl AC anything. While grippy as hell, they lack the ability to go "slythryn" when you need them to. I would pick a  Blizzard 8.1 over the Volkl AC-30 every day and twice on Sunday because it is more versatile but even that one may be a little grippy for that particular task. Remember that skiing very hard moguls is not about trying to grind down the whole durned thing on your edges, it is about a soft(ish) touch through most of the turn and a quick hit in just the right spot to redirect. Even that quick hit needs to be feathered onto and then off of the edge.

 

Soft ankles, soft core, medium skis is about right.....at least for my tastes. 

 

SJ


I am going to have to say "different strokes for different folks" . I tried the Blizzard Mag 8.1 and hated them. Big square tail that did not like to release for my skiing style. Perhaps your style is better suited to the Blizzards, but for me I LOVE MY AC30'S! About me, 56 years young, 5'9" 195lb level 8/9 skier. I still ski bumps every time I go skiing no matter how icey they are. I just can't ski them all day long anymore. So I will alternate bump, trees, and cruising runs to save my aging body.

Good luck,

Rick G
post #10 of 17

Location location location.

 

I wouldn't call Völkl's AC30 an ice pic.  In fact it's grip is pretty easy going on hardpack and it feather's just fine (so does my P50  with the stock 1:2 tune, imho),  but I live in Sudbury Ontario, not Tahoe.

 

Me:  Old enough to know better, but too young to resist.  165 to 180 lb skier.  Ski anything anywhere, usually fast, suck at bumps (but don't fall down in them), don't have that pole plant down for my level 6 tongue.gif.

 

Do they get icy bumps in Tahoe?   Just curious.

 

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 

I have a set of Dynastar PX12Ti binders to put on the skis.  The Sultan 85 looks like a perfect replacement for the Afterburners with trustworthy clamps.  Thanks!

 

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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

What else do you want them to be good at?

 

What bindings are you going to put on them?

 

A cheap option.

 

A better option.

post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

It also depends on how you like to ski bumps.  It seems like narrower skis are stiff and made with metal.  So a wider ski would offer more options in the trees and bumps maybe,  but lack performance on the rest of the hill and if you ever encounter iceeek.gif

 

Your Nordi, since it has no metal, could be a pretty good choice.  I love my top fuels in the bumps, but they are too stiff.


they can in frost freeze cycles.

 



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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Location location location.

 

I wouldn't call Völkl's AC30 an ice pic.  In fact it's grip is pretty easy going on hardpack and it feather's just fine (so does my P50  with the stock 1:2 tune, imho),  but I live in Sudbury Ontario, not Tahoe.

 

Me:  Old enough to know better, but too young to resist.  165 to 180 lb skier.  Ski anything anywhere, usually fast, suck at bumps (but don't fall down in them), don't have that pole plant down for my level 6 tongue.gif.

 

Do they get icy bumps in Tahoe?   Just curious.

 

post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 

So Jim, do you have any deals on the Sultan 85?  Is the HR Burner a flat ski?  I'm never buying another system binding.

 

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

If I still lived in Stowe I'd have something like a Sultan 85 or maybe a Nordica HR Burner for that task. While neither is astonishingly good on pure ice they are quite good enough and I'm not 100% sure I'd be spending a lot of time on the FF on those transparent days anyhow. If you really wanna ski those kind of trails on those kind of days.....I think your helmet is more important than your skis.

 

IAC...........about the last thing I would choose would be an "ice pick" type of ski like a Volkl AC anything. While grippy as hell, they lack the ability to go "slythryn" when you need them to. I would pick a  Blizzard 8.1 over the Volkl AC-30 every day and twice on Sunday because it is more versatile but even that one may be a little grippy for that particular task. Remember that skiing very hard moguls is not about trying to grind down the whole durned thing on your edges, it is about a soft(ish) touch through most of the turn and a quick hit in just the right spot to redirect. Even that quick hit needs to be feathered onto and then off of the edge.

 

Soft ankles, soft core, medium skis is about right.....at least for my tastes. 

 

SJ

post #14 of 17

If you get the Sultan, get a binding that can accommodate 315.  I want to try them and I won't hit any rocks.

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post

So Jim, do you have any deals on the Sultan 85?  Is the HR Burner a flat ski?  I'm never buying another system binding.

 

 

Watch for a PM sometime tomorrow.

 

SJ

post #16 of 17

I'm also looking for a similar ski and after doing some research I've come up with a couple. How would the Nordica Nitrous, Atomic Blackeye, or Peak 78 fare in these conditions? Any other suggestions?

post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Paul Jones View Post

If you get the Sultan, get a binding that can accommodate 315.  I want to try them and I won't hit any rocks.


My new BSL is 314...Instead of calling you Buzz, from now on, I'm calling you Rock.biggrin.gif
 

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