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Look N77 How to set forward pressure

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Appreciate it if someone would let me know how to set the forward pressure correctly on Look N77 bindings.

 

Thanks,

stvbck.

 

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And yes, I know they're old, not indemnified, and using them will result in my gory demise, etc., etc. rolleyes.gif

post #2 of 18

There is very little travel on these, there are screws at the end of the wings in the back that you adjust, I don't think there is much more than 5-8mm of travel. 

 

Looks like they are on some K2's? 

post #3 of 18

 

 

PM sent

 

 

These are GREAT bindings!  biggrin.gif

post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the help, got 3 pairs set up so far:

 

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One loose pair of N77's left, debating over Pre 1200S, Pre 1200 II, or Kastle RX Team.

 

Working hard to get a good A-Frame committed to muscle memory.

post #5 of 18

I STILL have the mounting paperwork off mine.  I just ran past them looking for some other paperwork. I'll post it when I have it in hand.

post #6 of 18

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 These instructions are for N77s of 1978.  But the adjustment your looking for should be done the same.

 

I switched the rear turntables on my Rossignol ROCs to the more current self centering design with built in brakes. LOOK was more than helpful with this change.Great people at LOOK back then.  Now if MARKER could take a lesson from LOOK. .......Yeah right, what a dream!


Edited by skimalibu - 12/7/10 at 5:40pm
post #7 of 18

Those toe brakes are perfect for snagging those late 70s Scott pole basket loopsspit.gif

 

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post #8 of 18

Yeah I did hear that........ That is why they went to the rear turntable location on later years with the brakes. It was a clean swap out for me.  I guess it was the french thing again?

 

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post #9 of 18

Boy, do those ever bring back memories.  They were an amazing binding in the day, with fantastic travel at the toe.  Not only that, but if you take the guts out of the toe piece and put a screen where the pivot used to be, it makes an awesome pipe.... for 'legal' products, of course wink.gif

 

As I seem to recall the base plate would slide slightly and there used to be alignment marks for forward pressure, however the best way to confirm that the forward pressure is safe is to conduct a release check.  Set the DIN appropriately, put the boot in the binding, then knock the toe of the boot sideways almost to the point of release and make the sure the binding returns to center freely.  Then shorten the setting again and do the same check again until the spacing is short enough that the toe piece doesn't operate freely.  Then back the heel piece off just enough to get the toe piece returning to center freely again.  You will now have the proper forward tension.

 

I used to be a technician for many years, and even after a binding was mounted with the jig and properly set, we always needed to run a release check to confirm the forward pressure was correct.  Too much and the toe piece will jam or the heel will blow out.  Too little and you'll walk out of the ski.

post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Those toe brakes are perfect for snagging those late 70s Scott pole basket loopsspit.gif

 

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Yep... done that many times. 

post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the paperwork, skimalibu.

 

Interesting comment re: Markers.,  I recently finished function testing 50 or so pairs of skis on a Wintersteiger Skitronic and the most problematic bindings (torque vs. indicated DIN) were Markers, worst of which was the Marker Jester.

 

Hands down the best binding meeting technical specs was Tyrolia.  Even used and abused SymPro 8's tested better than any Marker.

 

And so many Atomic bindings recalled or no longer indemnified...........  (What ever happened to the ridiculous electronic Neox binding with the LCD indicator?)

 

My sample size is not large enough to draw definitive conclusions, but food for thought.

 

Thinking back, my most glorious double ejects and pre-releases do have one thing in common:  Atomic or Marker bindings.  That hour I spent searching for my M-11 ski which pre-released on a powder day (under the lift of course) is still clearly in the old memory.

 

Except for my eccentric collection of retro gear, I maintain a four ski quiver:  Head XRC, Monster, Mojo, and Icelantic Shaman.  Bindings are Tyrolia, Tyrolia, Tyrolia, and Salomon. (S850) FWIW.


Edited by stvbck - 12/7/10 at 1:15am
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by stvbck View Post

Thanks for the paperwork, skimalibu.

 

Interesting comment re: Markers.,  I recently finished function testing 50 or so pairs of skis on a Wintersteiger Skitronic and the most problematic bindings (torque vs. indicated DIN) were Markers, worst of which was the Marker Jester.

 

Hands down the best binding meeting technical specs was Tyrolia.  Even used and abused SymPro 8's tested better than any Marker.

 

And so many Atomic bindings recalled or no longer indemnified...........  (What ever happened to the ridiculous electronic Neox binding with the LCD indicator?)

 

My sample size is not large enough to draw definitive conclusions, but food for thought.

 

Thinking back, my most glorious double ejects and pre-releases do have one thing in common:  Atomic or Marker bindings.  That hour I spent searching for my M-11 ski which pre-released on a powder day (under the lift of course) is still clearly in the old memory.

 

Except for my eccentric collection of retro gear, I maintain a four ski quiver:  Head XRC, Monster, Mojo, and Icelantic Shaman.  Bindings are Tyrolia, Tyrolia, Tyrolia, and Salomon. (S850) FWIW.


In testing bindings too, I have found that Tyrolia's are some of the most consistent too. Before I skied my Tyrolia 350's last year, I torque tested then and got them to the point that they released like a "8" although they were a 1-2-3 window. They still released at an inopportune time on The Goat at Stowe..I have since removed them from "The Ski" and replaced them with a 350R that will soon be replaced with a pair of Spademan S4's...Talk about going from the frying pan into the fire. 

 

I would like to find some Atomic EDT (?) bindings for the collection, while I have seen a few around in stores on display, I have never seen a pair on the hill. 

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by stvbck View Post

 

Thinking back, my most glorious double ejects and pre-releases do have one thing in common:  Atomic or Marker bindings.  That hour I spent searching for my M-11 ski which pre-released on a powder day (under the lift of course) is still clearly in the old memory.

 

Interesting.  Which Atomic bindings have caused you grief in the past?  I've never had an issue with any of my 1018's (solidly built and never had a pre-release). 

 

My personal worst experiences have always been with Salomon bindings.  I've lost count of the number of crashes I've had with Salomons due to pre-release when the ski has vibrated, flexed, or unloaded.  I've had good success with Tyrolia/Fischer race bindings too.
 

post #14 of 18

I can't imagine feeling comfortable (trusting) a binding toe piece where only the wings flap or very front clip pivots.  Having the entire toe piece turn from a center pivot or having the entire toe piece glide side to side when releasing seems so much more sound design wise to me.  The other ones just scream of low production cost.. though the newer ones look very sleek.  I still can't fathom why folks pay 200 bucks for them..

post #15 of 18

I tried to get into my Omesofts with N77's mounted but couldn't get the sole of my newer boots into the N77 heel. The Look heel was too narrow. Me likey the ST's and Comp 710's.

post #16 of 18


 

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Originally Posted by skibumm100 View Post

I tried to get into my Omesofts with N77's mounted but couldn't get the sole of my newer boots into the N77 heel. The Look heel was too narrow. Me likey the ST's and Comp 710's.


You DO realize the width of the heel of the N77 is adjustable, don't you?  Maybe it's set on the narrow setting.  The two clips the boot heel fits between can be popped off and flipped to create spacing for a wider boot.

 

Let's turn back the 'way back' machine and take a look at my old basement and the vintage race quiver that used to dwell within.  On the far right, second from the end, is a pair of the afore mentioned classic Rossi ST Comps with N77 bindings (relegated to 'rock skis' at that point).   Also of interest is the pair of black Dynastar's on the far left , which wouldn't be on the market until the following season.  I had a couple of pairs on loan for testing from my ski sponsor at the time, the year before they were introduced to the public.  I raced a Super-G at Red Lodge in Montana on those very same GS skis rather than the Super-G's three skis farther over (fun being on a ski nobody has ever seen before), and took second place.  Scared myself in a couple of places, but it was fun nonetheless.

 

You can't go wrong with the 'classics'.  BTW, these all range in size from a couple that are 203's, up to 213 cm.  Those were the days.

 

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Edited by exracer - 12/8/10 at 4:58pm
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by stvbck View Post

Thanks for the paperwork, skimalibu.

 

Interesting comment re: Markers.,  I recently finished function testing 50 or so pairs of skis on a Wintersteiger Skitronic and the most problematic bindings (torque vs. indicated DIN) were Markers, worst of which was the Marker Jester.

 

Hands down the best binding meeting technical specs was Tyrolia.  Even used and abused SymPro 8's tested better than any Marker.

 

And so many Atomic bindings recalled or no longer indemnified...........  (What ever happened to the ridiculous electronic Neox binding with the LCD indicator?)

 

My sample size is not large enough to draw definitive conclusions, but food for thought.

 

Thinking back, my most glorious double ejects and pre-releases do have one thing in common:  Atomic or Marker bindings.  That hour I spent searching for my M-11 ski which pre-released on a powder day (under the lift of course) is still clearly in the old memory.

 

Except for my eccentric collection of retro gear, I maintain a four ski quiver:  Head XRC, Monster, Mojo, and Icelantic Shaman.  Bindings are Tyrolia, Tyrolia, Tyrolia, and Salomon. (S850) FWIW.



 Thank You, I'll keep it in mind.

post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 

Centro 412 and Xentrix 412 were problematic for me, both of which are on the recall list.

 

Interested persons can search for "2011 indemnified bindings" and find a downloadable list, at the end of which are the Atomic recalls.

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