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From Rossignol Bandit B78 to Dynastar Sultan 85 or 94?

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Thread Starter 

Hi All, 

 

I'm an intermediate skier skiing for about the last 6 years, the last 3 of which I've been using the Rossignol Bandit B78.  I love powder-skiing (obviously!), steeps, and bumps.  Most of my skiing is off-piste in the Portes du Soleil (which is near Samoens and Chamonix) ski domain here in France.

 

After initially loving them, I'm starting to feel that my Bandits, although a great all-round ski, don't really excel in any particular area and I'm looking for a new all-rounder but which is particularly good in powder.  Having said that it needs to be able to handle bumps reasonably well and generally let me go anywhere with reasonable confidence.  I find that I'm tending to sink in powder (which is probably down to technique as well) and that the Bandits are a little wobbly underfoot on hard-pack.  On moguls, they're ok, but I don't have enough experience with different types of skis to know whether I'm really missing out on anything.

 

I have been considering the Dynastar Sultan 85 and 94 and have read the excellent reviews on this site.  I love my Dynastar Altitrail touring skis and have heard lots of good things about Dynastar in general.  The tricky part is deciding between the 85 and 94.  I'm worried that the 85 won't be a big enough difference from the 78mm waist on my current skis.  Equally, i'm not sure I'm good enough for the 94's just yet and I might struggle on bumps with them.

 

The lifts only open tomorrow and i'm still waiting for stock at my local ski shop so obviously I'll try both sizes out before buying, but i thought I'd see if I could gather some general advice here for a good ski to progress to from the Bandit.  I'm not particularly attached to the Sultan 85/94 if anyone has a better suggestion.

 

Vital statistics: I'm male, 180cm (5ft 11in), and weigh 85kg, (187 pounds  - according to Google - I have no idea what a pound is! :)).

 

Thanks!

-ian.


Edited by FB User (Private) - 12/3/10 at 7:06am
post #2 of 14

Hi! What is your weight?

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for your reply Cur-pe-gheata, i've updated my original post with my height and weight.

post #4 of 14

Welcome to Epic. Agree with your assessment of Dynastar products, also agree that the 94 would be better in terms of separation. However, your description of your mission suggests perhaps the 85. There are some excellent reviews of both skis here, do a search or go look at SJ's "crazy 88's" thread in Gear Reviews. My hunch is that the 85 and 94 are very similar (same build and shape), the 85 is prolly better as a groomer ski that can handle off-piste, while the 94 is more the off-piste version that can handle groomers. The 85 would be better in bumps for sure, the 94 in crud or soft snow. So some of this is just setting priorities. Also have a hunch that if you're an intermediate, the 85 would be slightly friendlier. My .02...

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi beyond.  Thanks for the welcome and thanks for the reply!  SJ's reviews are excellent and i'm reading through them now.  I think you have it exactly right to say the 85 is the piste-ski that can go off-piste and the 94 is the opposite.  I'm really tempted to go for the 94s because I really want to get more float in powder.  I can always use the Bandits for the mogul days towards the end of the season or if it's really icy.

post #6 of 14

Beyond has covered it pretty well. I'd look at the 85 as an upgrade replacement for your Bandits (The Sultan is better at everything than the Bandit). OTH, I'd look at the 94 as a supplement to your Bandits. I have skied the Cham Vally a fair bit (used to work for Dynastar) and if I were going over there as a tourist, I'd take a 94 as my only ski.

 

SJ


Edited by SierraJim - 12/3/10 at 8:35am
post #7 of 14

I would take Sultan 94 for better flotation at your weight.

In this case, I believe the positives will exceed the negatives (Sultan 85 vs. Sultan 94).

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks SierraJim!  I've read a few of your (great! :)) reviews and I think you've nailed it exactly which is that I'm not looking to replace my Bandits.  They will become my icy/rocky/it's-ok-if-i-scratch-them-a-bit skis which i might fall back to if i can't handle the 94's on bumps.  I'm definitely looking for a different experience so I think i'm definitely leaning toward the 94.

 

A ski instructor friend of mine mention knee-strain injuries with skis fatter than 90mm.  Any thoughts on that?

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply Cur-pe-gheata!  i'm definitely thinking i'll go for the 94 now.  Given the amount of fresh powder we have already had this Winter, i'm hoping for more powder-days that we normally get here and I agree that the 94 will be a much better experience in powder.

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A ski instructor friend of mine mention knee-strain injuries with skis fatter than 90mm.  Any thoughts on that?


I have ridiculous knees, can attest to greater strain as skis get wider (simple physics, actually), but don't think 90 mm is a magic cutoff. For me, I tend to notice strain if I'm using fats (say 115) on groomers for any length of time. If you're worried, put a plate on them; increases your mechanical advantage, so less force on knee joint. (Although takes away a touch of stability, so...)

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hi beyond, I've not heard of a plate before.  Excuse my ignorance but is that a part of the binding or like a material knee brace?  Googling this didn't help me much! :)

 

I was also wondering about the ski size.  I'm 180cm (5ft 11in) so I was thinking the 178cm ski.  The next size up is the 184 - since the ski is fatter, should I go longer?

post #12 of 14

When I think about an all-round ski, my first choice would be Elan Alu 888. Elan 888 (named Apex in 2011 collection) got away from rocker mania this season and is still a clean, non-rocker ski.

Maybe you could demo a pair of Elan Apex. It's also a very good choice for European snow conditions in my opinion.

 

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Hi beyond, I've not heard of a plate before.  Excuse my ignorance but is that a part of the binding or like a material knee brace?  Googling this didn't help me much! :)

 

I was also wondering about the ski size.  I'm 180cm (5ft 11in) so I was thinking the 178cm ski.  The next size up is the 184 - since the ski is fatter, should I go longer?


A plate = a carving plate, sold by Tyrolia, Look, Vist etc. that is mounted to the ski, often in two pieces so it moves when the ski flexes, and you mount the binding to the plate. It provides some rise (maybe 9-15 mm). Also allows repositioning. Tyrolia's Railfex is another approach, it's a plate with rails into which you slide the binding. Very simple to reposition on the slope. Some skis, like Bizzards or Nordicas or Volkls, often have "systems" where the ski has a plate as part of its construction, or at least mounted at the factory. Removes one step after purchase but no real advantage. Well, maybe some mechanical advantages to systems that extend down into the ski core, like Blizzard. 

 

Yes, longer is better for soft snow skis, but within reason. Go by your weight, not your height. At 185, the 178 should be fine. The 184 will be pretty stiff and cumbersome, unless you plan to do a lot of high speed SG through the crud. 

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Originally Posted by Ian Davies View Post

Hi beyond, I've not heard of a plate before.  Excuse my ignorance but is that a part of the binding or like a material knee brace?  Googling this didn't help me much! :)

 

I was also wondering about the ski size.  I'm 180cm (5ft 11in) so I was thinking the 178cm ski.  The next size up is the 184 - since the ski is fatter, should I go longer?

Yes, longer is better for soft snow skis, but within reason. Go by your weight, not your height. At 185, the 178 should be fine. The 184 will be pretty stiff and cumbersome, unless you plan to do a lot of high speed SG through the crud. 


I am 5'10 and prefer my 184 Dynastars, but I prefer larger turns and off piste conditions. Go shorter for a slightly smaller turn radius and a more on piste bias IMO. The Sultan 94's in 184 look very sexy to me.

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