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Super carving, myth or reality?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

You be the judge:

 

post #2 of 20

Wow...well clearly video doesnt lie.  Must be a PMTS student?

post #3 of 20

Damn,.  I should have posted that one in the Bump Skiing threadnonono2.gif

post #4 of 20

Nope, not super-carving ..at least he's not straight lining and crashing into someone else popcorn.gif


Edited by BradyN - 12/2/10 at 2:58am
post #5 of 20

lol...I think if you paused it at the right frame in the split second where he's falling over but not completely, it might resemble someone edging the skis.

post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Wow...well clearly video doesnt lie.  Must be a PMTS student?



...perhaps a now PMTS student who may have had their first lesson with you or one of your colleagues. All speculation of course.

post #7 of 20

High edge angles no doubt. Can we get a MA on this?rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

Wow...well clearly video doesnt lie.  Must be a PMTS student?



...perhaps a now PMTS student who may have had their first lesson with you or one of your colleagues. All speculation of course.


Nah...if he'd been with me I would have taught him to turn the legs to turn...clearly he has gone for the PMTS classic "day 1 tip to turn" method. 
 

post #9 of 20

I loled.

post #10 of 20

Undoubtedly a strong PMTS skier.  Note the characteristic wedge, the patient knuckle dragging, the pole waggling, the strong pivoting at 0:19, and especially the smoking gun --  skis with a macho turning radius far above 12 meters.  Trip to Turn at its finest wink.gif

post #11 of 20

I dunno guys... that description by sharpedges really sounds more like a full cert who has mastered the blending of skills.

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I dunno guys... that description by sharpedges really sounds more like a full cert who has mastered the blending of skills.


True...but I dont think they are called full cert in PMTS...I think they the instructors are rated, Green/Blue/Black. 

 

 

Although interstingly enough, that first turn, the imfamous 0:19 seconds...the one with pivot..the one he actually manages to complete...some first or second run ever TSS elements there for sure, interesting how as soon as he goes for the PMTS method he crashed a burned.  Who would have predicted that?  biggrin.gif Someone asked above for some MA..what do you figure Heluva?  Not enough "counter balance"? ROTF.gif
 

post #13 of 20

De wuddn't let dis guy do dat at Welch Village don't cha nooo.

 

Welch Village, MN Bans "aggressive" carving...

 

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One of our local ski areas has announced that they will no longer allow "aggressive carving", this is an e-mail directly from their office:


We will not allow what we call extremely aggressive carving as it does too much damage to the hills and is causing injuries to those who get stuck in the ruts. Ninety-nine % of the people with carving equipment do not cause this damage.

Welch Village Ski Area, Inc. 26685 County Rd 7 Welch, MN 55089 651.258.4567
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

I dunno guys... that description by sharpedges really sounds more like a full cert who has mastered the blending of skills.


True...but I dont think they are called full cert in PMTS...I think they the instructors are rated, Green/Blue/Black. 

 

 

Although interstingly enough, that first turn, the imfamous 0:19 seconds...the one with pivot..the one he actually manages to complete...some first or second run ever TSS elements there for sure, interesting how as soon as he goes for the PMTS method he crashed a burned.  Who would have predicted that?  biggrin.gif Someone asked above for some MA..what do you figure Heluva?  Not enough "counter balance"? ROTF.gif
 


Sh!t, we could go on like this for days. What he executed was actually inclination - which is most commonly found in traditional teaching in the US, but for your sake I won't limit it to only the US. He was obviously taught to wedge (albeit, poorly), and one could blame his imbalance and backseat skiing (is it skiing?) on said maneuver and the fact that he never learned to properly balance one or both skis while gliding.

 

BTW - I only used full cert because it was recently "title dropped" in another thread and I found it to be a little comical to say the least. cool.gif I have much better titles for them anyway.

post #15 of 20

I did a screen capture from the OP's video.  Contrary to the negative reception from the pros above, I'd say he looks pretty good!  popcorn.gif

 

 

Marcel Hirscher 2, AUT.jpg

post #16 of 20
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I did a screen capture from the OP's video.  Contrary to the negative reception from the pros above, I'd say he looks pretty good!  popcorn.gif

 

 

Marcel Hirscher 2, AUT.jpg



icon14.gif Haha, Hischer's skiing is damn impressive. Check out the Middlebury blog and you can see some recent footage of him skiing something akin to what the rest of us would come across.

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post

I did a screen capture from the OP's video.  Contrary to the negative reception from the pros above, I'd say he looks pretty good!  popcorn.gif

 

 

Marcel Hirscher 2, AUT.jpg



icon14.gif Haha, Hischer's skiing is damn impressive. Check out the Middlebury blog and you can see some recent footage of him skiing something akin to what the rest of us would come across.



Greg, I've got another one I took of him that you guys are really going to love.  I title it "TIPPING".  I should have it, and many others, up on my website soon.

 

PS edit:  I have another of him I suspect a friend of yours won't enjoy as much.  I title it "PIVOT".  wink.gif

post #18 of 20
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PS edit:  I have another of him I suspect a friend of yours won't enjoy as much.  I title it "PIVOT".  wink.gif


Well, it happens... if the focus was productive, I suspect you'd find little dissent. I'd love to see it BTW. I've been watching a lot of Hirscher's skiing lately (as well as a few of the women that stand out from the crowd technically). There are some really cool things going on these days. At the top levels I think technique is really starting to separate itself more than ever.

post #19 of 20
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 if the focus was productive, I suspect you'd find little dissent.


Glad to hear you say that.  Some people will "dissent" it to the grave, but the reality is it's used productively pervasively.  We have video of him doing it too, for a complete section of course, every turn, on only a moderate pitch.  That too will make it into our videos and website, eventually.  Keep an eye out.  

post #20 of 20

Awesome. Can't wait to see the footage. I thought it was cool to see a WC skier on a training trail that I've skied many times and know fairly well - something to relate to. As far as dissent... it is all in the focus. Remember two people can look at a dozen roses and one will see the flowers and the other will see green leaves and thorns. cool.gif

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