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Petition for Belleayre

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post #2 of 9

Thanks for posting.  I signed the petition.

 

In case others are wondering what this is all about.

 

This Belleayre action followed NY State Gov. Paterson's termination of DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis a few weeks ago for his public disagreement with the plan to cut the workforce. The Gov.'s plan is to reduce the total New York state workforce of 200,000 by 898 workers ,effective 12/31/2010. The DEC, makes up aprox. 2% of the state work force. The DEC was targeted for 140 positions or 16 percent of the 898. Of the 140 positions state wide, 48 were taken from Belleayre or 34 percent. The 48 jobs cuts from Belleayre represent 80 percent of Belleayre's permanent staff.  

post #3 of 9

Signed it too!!

 

Good luck with your petition.

post #4 of 9

I signed it too.  It's plain stupid to make sizable cuts in one of the few NYS gov't enterprises that turns a profit most years.  Typical of our unelected departing governor.... 

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This thread has me conflicted. While I’m a skier, I’m also a taxpayer (not in NY ).

For sure, I hope the best for the Belleayre community and may the mountain continue in operation for a long time. It’s a nice area. No doubt, layoffs come as a major body blow to the community and the state won’t balance it’s budget on these costs. When making the drive from the NY thru-way up to Belleayre, I can’t help but feel for the local population as it’s a rural community that needs all the tourism and jobs it can attract. There are many threads where Eastern US skiing is bashed, but, all these little areas contribute to the local economy during a season that is traditionally challenging to survive. . As skiers, we need to support them by spending $$$ to use the facilities. Ski Belleayre and bring some friends.

On the other hand -
Ski area ownership and management is traditionally private enterprise and it’s a fair question to ask why the State needs 60 full time employees to compete with Hunter and Windham just a few miles away. I know almost nothing about the off-season staffing of eastern resorts, but, it would be of great interest to know if private areas have similar full time staffs. If I read the websites correctly this week, Belleayre opened when Hunter choose not to make snow due to forecasted warm weather this week, which would simply melt it away. Windham claims to have made snow for 2 days and hopes that it will survive the rain so that they open this weekend. It appears the decision process changes when you are already paying your staff and spending the state’s money.

The cynic in me doubts that Belleayre returns more to the state than the cost to operate it on a year round basis, I‘d love to see a CPA sign-off on that claim. If it’s financially attractive, let the state lease it to private enterprise. Getting government out of business and getting private ownership into business is a good thing. It’s the same tired story of gore someone else, leave my sacred cow alone. Meanwhile the state continues to spend way more than they take in, creating debt and screwing the future. Doesn’t sound sustainable to me.

We don’t need more state employees and could live with a lot fewer politicians who have a prime interest of saving their own jobs.

Rant over

post #6 of 9

 

I am not as well versed in the topic, but there is in fact a controversial deal to partner with a private company related to Belleayre, but that is likely the topic of another thread maybe even more controversial than taxes (Developer's side of the story here  http://www.belleayreresort.com/ )

 

I am a NYC taxpayer, and supportive of the petition, at a high level its part of the DEC mission to make parks and recreation available to the population.  Even if most people would substitute Wyndham/Hunter/other locations, a few would otherwise travel out of state. As far as I know, the DEC budget doesn't break out Belleayre, but just seems strange to me, a way could be found to balance a modest fee increase if needed.

 

Ironic in a way that two companies spend millions on indoor skiing near NY (or would spend, one is half built and the other dead before building http://ledointl.com/rh/Mountain.html & http://visitmeadowlands.com/thingstodo/snowpark.php ) and an outdoor location has trouble (Yes, get the idea indoor is year-round)

 

edit: minor corrections

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If it’s financially attractive, let the state lease it to private enterprise. Getting government out of business and getting private ownership into business is a good thing. It’s the same tired story of gore someone else, leave my sacred cow alone. Meanwhile the state continues to spend way more than they take in, creating debt and screwing the future. Doesn’t sound sustainable to me.

 

 

LP,  Leasing or selling off the winter and summer mountain recreational operations to a private enterprise would be ideal.  Unfortunately, New York's state constitution prohibits this.frown.gif  There are posts with the details of the legal issue over on http://forums.alpinezone.com (and info on the financials as well.)  Now, if any other state would be interested in trading governments with NYS we'd gladly entertain the offer and would make privatizing Belleayre a priority.  We'll throw in all our thousands of former politicians as spare parts in case your new government needs fixin at a later date ... we'll even pay their relocation costs biggrin.gif

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Belleayre took a big proportion of the DEC layoffs. A couple of years ago they made a whole bunch of seasonals permanent. Now they are taking 40 of them and laying them off, meaning they will have to go back to being seasonals.

post #9 of 9

i signed as well..... i haven't skied belleayre in over 10 years. i do know a long time patroller there, although he may now be retired.

as a ny state taxpayer who deals with many state agencies, i would love to see the p&l statement from belleayre.

if they lump it in with the general fund, your lift ticket money is going to keep OTB's and other negative cash operations open.

good luck with your quest......

 

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