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post #61 of 84
Have at it buddy. If you do, can you make the cross country snowboarding video a sticky?
post #62 of 84

I would suggest the following - make a cheat sheet table for threads like this and mark them by numbers. Whoever wants to start - will just look up the number and start:

 

"New thread # umpteen"

 

Everyone will know what it is about, will chime in only with the emoticon (rolling eyes, trail highjacked, taking huge dump etc...) so the goal on everybody's side will be acheved - post count will go up, people will be allowed to make everyone aware of their preferences and piece will finaly come to the promissed land

 

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post #63 of 84

This whole thing will be mute in a few years, as snowboarding IS a dying sport.

post #64 of 84
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This whole thing will be mute in a few years, as snowboarding IS a dying sport.



Mature, not dying.  Very similar to telemarking -- different feel from alpine, some years it'll be more popular than others, but it's not going anywhere.  I am fascinated as to how extinct alpine snowboarding may become -- the only analogy that springs to mind is quad rollerskates, which got pretty rare for a while before they came back, though I'm sure there's a better example.

post #65 of 84

You want to know who really has it rough? Hardbooters and monoskiers. Its way past racisim, they are facing ethnic cleansing, genocide, and extinction.  Where is ben afflec when you need him?


Edited by tromano - 12/2/10 at 6:00pm
post #66 of 84

You guys are a bunch of idiots.  Snowboarding helped save many ailing mountains as skiing was a dying sport, and we skiers should be thankful and kind to them.  And yes, they have a problem with us because we are anti social.  I was just at Vail and tried to strike up conversations on every lift.  Snowboarders always obliged while the skiers, 50% of the time,  including an older ski patroller completely ignored me.  It was probably my highly offensive icelantic fat skis that put him off.  F'n douche.  I'll take snowboarders any day, I just wish they didn't rest their boards at a 45 degree angle, with their tail resting on my tails.  

 

edit:  I'm gonna start carrying coal in my pocket to give people to make a diamond.  

post #67 of 84
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you people are funny.

 

the generalization about young people snowboarding more, is most likely statistically wrong BTW.

 

the boarders wipe out your powder BS, is just that BS. Your skiing in bounds at ski resort. its not your powder and never was. Go hike or ski tighter lines and trust me youll cull the heard of boarders in a hurry.

 

board slamming on the ground? they do it to clear snow off.

 

all of you people need some perspective. Go spend a couple days on a snowboard before saying even sarcastic negative things about them.


Really?  Maybe I need glasses then.  They look like teens and twenty somethings to me.  You mean people in their 40s, 50s, 60s are the ones I'm seeing on snowboards?  Come on.  Be rational.  It's rare to see anybody over 30 on a snowboard.  It happens but I'd say 99 percent are under 30.

 

Boarders wiping out the little powder is a problem.  I know it's not "my" snow, but since I'm skiing there it would be nice to be able to ski the inch or two of snow that's sitting on the ice.  It's unfortunate that the boarders wipe it away.

 

And it doesn't matter to me that there's a reason the boarders are slamming their boards on the snow.  It's an annoying sound anyway.  

 

I'm not a basher of snowboarders, though.   It's nice to see young people doing something fun like boarding on snow.

 

you really dont know the local crowd well. For sure more grey air snowboarders here than skiers.


 

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You want to know who really has it rough? Hardbooters and monoskiers. Its way past racisims, they are facing ethnic clenasig, genocide, and extiniction.  Where is ben afflec when you need him?

 

what about XC snowboarding? its an outsider sport, of an outsider sport being done outside! they are rockign the triple entrondu man!
 

how about saucering! its an extinct sport!

 

post #68 of 84

Pretty much because we are awesome and they cant be like us haha. But totaly agreed i have some awesome snowboard friends but if he introduces himself with "Hey F*** OFF" i hate it.

post #69 of 84

The situation I hate is when overtaking a boarder who is traversing across the hill.

Sometimes they switch edges and carve a turn and sometimes they stay on the same edge and just go on the other traverse without switching.

Very hard to make a safe pass when you don't know which is going to happen especially in close quarters.

It is just a fact of life but I wish boarders were a little more aware of this unpredictability.

 

As far as scraping snow...

.....everyone has seen a boarder essentially sideslipping a hill and plowing snow because they are in over their heads,

This rarely happens with skiers and is a great way to plow a 5' wide path down the center of hills.

 

The sports have converged.

A pair of 120 mm skis is like having a snowboard on both feet.

 

My asthetic problem is the noise.

Acoustic damping is not a part of snowboard design.

It should be.

 

That said, I have tried boarding (I'm a surfer) and would do it if I had more deep snow to play in.

Surfers, windsurfers, paddleboarders and kayakers have learned to live together and boarders and skiers will too.

 

If you drop in on a taken wave at Hookipa you will get your ass beat when you go to the beach.

That makes for good manners.

post #70 of 84

I just don't like skiers. They are the neandrathalensis laughing at the weaker, smaller sapiens...
 

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This whole thing will be mute in a few years, as snowboarding IS a dying sport.

 

 

Note the small brain case and inability to adapt.

post #71 of 84


Tarzanman: Let me know what you think after you some day advance to the point that you dare to go down a truly steep hill, no doubt all the way on your heel edge scraping away every flake of scrapable snow while desperately trying to slow yourself. It's a fact that twice the running edge allows skiers to hold on steeps, and holding is not scraping - it's holding! It's a rare boarder indeed that holds on anything modestly steep let alone the truly steep. I have been to the truly steep places and for every 100 skiers you only see 2 to 4 boarders - one of them truly accomplished and amazing, and the rest in way over their head and trying to not die - scraping away on their heel edges when not sliding on their behinds (which BTW is better for the snow).
 

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You can't have it both ways.

 

If it is the edges of a ski/snowboard that 'scrapes away' the powder then skiers are twice as guilty because they are onto *two* edges and not just one.

 

If it is the board itself that compacts the powder into the pack as it slides over the snow then skiers are just as guilty because there is little difference between the contact surface area between skis and snowboards.

 

The only argument you might be able to make is with new snowboarders that side-slip their way down blue runs... but as I pointed out, this is a problem with the riders being new.  Even granting you that point, they hardly chew up more powder snow than a green skier cheese-wedging their way all over a mountain.
 

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Tarzanman: Why would surface area matter in anything but deep powder, where planing is all that really matters? OTOH, when it comes to scraping away a marginal top-coat of soft fresh or groomed snow atop a hard-pack/ice base (East Coast), the snowboard typically reigns supreme as it has less than half of the uphill edge that a pair of skis have. This is why a snowboard can't hold as well as skis, and why the snowboard is notorious for scraping off what little good was there, and finally also why you seldom see snowboards on the really steep slopes - just sayin'
 

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Yes, because skis have magic magnetic levitation machines that keep them from compacting  any of the powder into the hardpack. rolleyes.gif

 

Here's a fun fact:  Two skis have marginally less surface area than a single snowboard.  Roughly (depending on the size of the skis or board) 3500 cm^2 vs 4000 cm^2.

 

I don't know, maybe the fact that there are people sliding down the mountain is what is causing the powder to get used up.  Did that ever cross your mind?


 

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Lots of young people (teens, early twenties) seem to prefer boarding over skiing, so I'm not going to say "I don't like boarders," simply because it's a blanket statement against all young people.   But I will say that I prefer riding a lift with skiers because the boarders' boards take up a lot of room and it can be awkward.  And when getting off the chair lift, the boarders have a harder time and they seem to always get in the way.  I also don't like the sound of a snowboard slamming on the snow.  I compare it to the beautiful sound of skis slicing through the snow and there's no comparison with beauty of sound.

 

But they're the future in more ways than one, and it's fun talking with them or listening to them on the chair lifts.  They're young peeps who want to have fun. 

 

But I don't like that the boarders wipe away what little powder we usually have on the eastcoast.  

 

But, as I said, I won't bash all boarders.  Skateboarders are another story.  They've taken over my neighborhood and own the sidewalks, streets.  I know "skateboarding is not a crime," but neither should beating a skateboarder with his board.  smile.gif


 

 

 
post #72 of 84

that tribute from Deep is incredible and very sad.  I'm pretty sure that Shane wouldn't even see a line between skiers and boarders. as people say, it kinda puts things in perspective.

post #73 of 84
Thread Starter 

i dont have a problem with snowboarders. all of my friends snowboard. but there are just some snowboarders and skiers that must just be jerks always

post #74 of 84

Regarding blind spots for snowboarders... when I started boarding I would sometimes stop and look up the hill on a green run. Immediately the beginner skiers would tend to lock their eyes on me with this deer-in-headlights look, then turn into little homing missles intent on crashing into me.

 

Mind you, the same thing also happened when I began skiing! So I think we have more in common than different. Like Ghost said, it's more about sucky versus decent people. I think we're just more likely to notice patterns when there's a difference between ourselves and the "bad guy" in an incident rather than when there are similarities.  

post #75 of 84

This topic seems to come up here once a year (and never on TGR) and is comical to say the least. I'm almost 30 and probably half my friends snowboard and half ski. I know 60 year old snowboarders and 12 year old skiers. There's no fundamental culturual difference. There are annoying park rat 14 year olds riding skis and boards. There are serious backcountry enthusaists on split boards. In another 20 years no one will be having this conversation anymore. And to think snowboarding is dying is hilarious.

 

Overall I like seeing more snowboarders, they generally have trouble access stuff with traverses so it thins the numbers a bit.

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Tarzanman: Let me know what you think after you some day advance to the point that you dare to go down a truly steep hill, no doubt all the way on your heel edge scraping away every flake of scrapable snow while desperately trying to slow yourself. It's a fact that twice the running edge allows skiers to hold on steeps, and holding is not scraping - it's holding! It's a rare boarder indeed that holds on anything modestly steep let alone the truly steep. I have been to the truly steep places and for every 100 skiers you only see 2 to 4 boarders - one of them truly accomplished and amazing, and the rest in way over their head and trying to not die - scraping away on their heel edges when not sliding on their behinds (which BTW is better for the snow).
 

 

Might want to watch a couple fellows named Jeremy Jones and Xavier De Le Reu:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tbD5XVc_Ps

 

I guess the Bec De Rose @ Verbier isn't really that steep though, and he is scraping all the damn pow away (at 70mph)!

post #77 of 84
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 And to think snowboarding is dying is hilarious.


I thought so too, but sometimes if you start rumors they come true wink.gif.

It would be interesting to see the statistics & know how the growth of snowboarding compares to skiing?

 

I spent about 10 yrs. spending about half my on hill time riding a board, both inbounds & BC.  When shaped skis & wider designs came along my snowboard days were pretty much over.  I still have friends who ride & are very good, but even they see the advantages of skiing.

 

JF

post #78 of 84

Easy one word, TEENAGERS! sERIUOSLY THOUGH, IT IS MORE ABOUT THE SLIDERS AGE AND SKI LIFT USEAGE EXPERIENCE, SKIERS (AND RIDERS) CODE THAT NO ONE EVER READS. THOSE WHO ARE RUDE OFF THE HILL WILL BE RUDE ON THE HILL...OOOPS CAPS LOCK ON, NOT GONNA DO THIS OVER.

 

"Discrimination is discrimination.  The fact that there are several large, high profile resorts that still discriminate is irrefutable evidence that I am not just 'imagining things'.  You should just concede the point.   Funny, how there aren't any resorts that ban skiers....  As such, I think anyone looking at the situation in this context would find it hard to believe that snowboarders as a group are the ones clinging to old prejudices.  Rather, they are clinging to prejudices that still (demonstrably) exist. "

 

 

LOL, Tarzanman  , I suppose you go to a Chinese restaurant then bitch they don't serve enchiladas. These business serve their clientele, they don't discriminate! Remember, it's called a ski lodge, a ski lift, a ski run, a ski mountain...for a reason, boarding wouldn't exist if it was for skiing.

 

BTW, I ski and ride, and yes riding will eat up more powder quicker than skis will, it's just the nature of two different sliding apparatuses.

post #79 of 84
It is really a double edged blade. Haha my friends and i even though weve been over it millions of times still dispute on which is better or has more style. Living in ohio where park skiing is what keeps the mountain alive we tend to see a lot more snowboarders than skiers. And over here it is the beginner skiers who go in the park with rental skis, cutting people off at jumps and creating problems that make the bad name for the rest of us.
post #80 of 84
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I ski and snowboard.  Now I know why I hate myself.   I have an internal skier & snowboarder conflict.  I might as well gouge my own skis or push myself off a chairlift.

 

So question for all of you, does the equipment I choose on any particular day change my personality or net worth or my age?  Do I instantly have the craving for a granola bar the moment I put on my tele gear?

 

 

BTW, the resorts that don't allow snowboarders are not discriminating.  Tarzanman, you can go to Alta, Deer Valley or Mad River Glen.  Just leave your snowboard at home. cool.gif



Now this IS interesting. and to further add to that thought. do you alter if you wear GS skiis VS cross country and so on??? I really think you make the point that the world has pondered but didnt ask!!

post #81 of 84
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The whole skier vs snowboarder thing ended here a decade ago. 


It ended in the US a decade ago,  too. 



 Oh Yeah that's right.................................Or a.....Hum

post #82 of 84

The problems lie in the rider, not in the ride.  

post #83 of 84
Agree with rick
post #84 of 84
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I know this doesn't affect all snowboarders but i've met so many that are total jerks about skiers. What is their problem. Why can't they just get along and everyone can share the mountain. I know there are skiers who hate snowboarders but it seems to be more snowboarders hating on skiers. I would just like to know why.

 

 

PS

(i dont have any problems with snowboarders unless they are being a-holes)

 

 

Well, boarders have so many legit gripes about skiers, what's there to like? 

First off, how dare we interrupt their smoke session in the middle of the trail to ski on it. 

 

Also, How dare we ask them to be careful when riding over our topsheets in the liftline, or resting their boards on my skis while I ride the chair. 

 

Furthermore, we should be watching that massive blind spot they call "heelside" for them while they blast dubstep so loud they could never hear you begging to not smash into them. 

 

Lastly, how we ever expect them to sideslip down the bump runs while we're zipperlining past them is beyond me.  I mean, how's a boarder supposed to flail, scrape every scrap of pow out of the trough and eat shit in peace?    

 

Stupid skiers. 

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