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post #1 of 14
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Hi All,

 

I haven't skied for a while and recently decided to get some used skis and give it another short. I ll be mostly doing alpine skiing, groomed runs etc. I got a pair of used volkl carver skis with tyrolia 690 racing binders. I am also looking for used boots and wondering if there are any considerations for the boot type? I am guessing that any alpine type boot will do? I will get a tech to adjust the bindings to fit. Thanks in advance for help

 

Gulfstorm. 

post #2 of 14

Do it the right way. Get fitted by a good boot-fitter.

post #3 of 14

What model ski did you get?  My daughter has a pair of sweet Völkl Porsches. smile.gif

 

You really should read up on how to shell fit a pair of boots, and then find a good boot fitter to set you up properly.

post #4 of 14


Won't. You can use the convertion charts from mondo to shoe size but I ski a boot that is "36½" vs my shoe size of 38. The different models (even from the same manufacturer) have a different width. The shape of the boot is different. The flex is different (between manufacturers the "same" flex is not the same) etc etc You really need to know what you're doing if you get boots on your own. And even knowing what you're doing you then eventually may need a bootfitter to grind/stretch etc to make the boots really fit.

 

How do I know? Well I just bought my 3rd pair of boots in less than a year. I think these are good. Not too long, not too wide. No bootfitters around (except for a short time some guys from Chamonix set their shop quite near but I heard about it too late).
 

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 I am guessing that any alpine type boot will do? 

post #5 of 14
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Hi All,

 

 I got a pair of used volkl carver skis with tyrolia 690 racing binders.

 

Gulfstorm. 


I've got some bad news about those bindings... they are what is called 'non-indemnified', meaning they are older than their service life and most shops will not adjust them. I would return the skis to whomever you bought them from, the seller should have been aware of this and told you.

post #6 of 14

If the skis are good and he got them for a song, maybe somebody could set him up with some good bindings.

 

post #7 of 14

DO IT!!     Get out on the snow ASAP!!

 

But go real cheap so your mistakes won't hurt as much. That's what I did. As the famous physicist Neils Bohr is quoted, "An expert is someone who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a narrow field".  With your bindings, that's one less mistake to make on your road to expert status. Wonder if many of the experts here can say never made any from day one. Guess it's possible with a truckload of cash at your disposal and/or your family has skied for generations.

 

Sounds like you have already made one mistake with the bindings but you can probably find good used ones for $50.  You would have probably needed to have the bindings remounted on your skis anyway as your boot size likely different from who used the skis before you. $20-$40 to get them mounted and checked.

 

Download the 2010/11 Indemnified list here so you know what your buying. If it's on the list a shop will mount and test them.

 

http://www.snowsports.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=xh%2BOPCqhNMw%3D&tabid=618

 

 

post #8 of 14

Non indemnified bindings may still be fine. You need to find a shop that will still work on them. They may want you to sign a special liability release. If they still fall into the in use range,they may be fine. It's funny how 5 year old bindings somehow are no longer good. They were the state of the art at the time and now trash. Indemnified just means that the binding company's lawyers will no longer cover the shop, it they adjust them. The extra liability release and the shops own attorney will still cover them. They just need to verify the that the binding release is testing within the range that the manufacturer intended. Boots...that is a different story. If you are lucky, off the shelf boots will fit you. For some of us, it takes years and a lot of money to have a boot that is comfortable, and performs well. The boot fit is directly responsible for steering the ski. Too loose and you have no control. To tight and you will be chilling in the lodge with your boots off. Boot fit is super important. 


Edited by snowskier2000 - 11/28/10 at 11:55pm
post #9 of 14
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It's funny how 5 year old bindings somehow are no longer good. 


They are at least 15 years old... probably WAY older, actually. No certified shop is going to adjust that binding for a new owner, maybe if it was a function test for someone who had been using it it's entire life, but a new owner of a binding that old? No way.

post #10 of 14
Ghost, I'll bet a cup of Peaberry to your cup of Van Houtte that it's a Vectris or V -series.
post #11 of 14

Vectris.  Wow! A relic from the last century  I would be very careful about those bindings (says the guy who occasionally brakes 60 mph on his old 490s).

post #12 of 14

Whiteroom I hear what you are saying. But, I have been adjusting ski bindings since 1985 professionally. Not trying to be a know it all. I have attended the ski mechanics workshop for the last 18 years (put on by Vermont Ski Safety Corp), and have worked in the field for 26 years. They tell us that they would rather have us adjust and test the system, then let the owner, who might not know how to adjust it, do it. If it tests within the ASTM standards, then it is OK. Salomon incline pivot system, is the same as it was 15 years ago. The Tyrolia toe ( 4 wheel drive back in the day) and the diagonal heel release is the same as 1995. Trying to keep people safe for 30 years.....thats me. Testing bindings in the Sierra Navada Mountians...and training the next generation....for a long time. 


Edited by snowskier2000 - 11/28/10 at 11:48pm
post #13 of 14

That's very good of you, snowskier2000.  There aren't a lot of people who will stand behind their work and check out a 15 year old pair of bindings without that indemnification.  I don't think it's the design so much as the 15 years of road salt and neglect.  But if you know what you are doing and check them out and they aren't rusted out or cracked in a vital area, then icon14.gif

post #14 of 14

Thanks Ghost, the problem I have right now... is the Marker fast trak 2 bindings testing high on the toe and low on the heel. How could they let this happen! Jeez I spend 200K and I have to use corection factors in my rental shops on all of their bindings..any ways, keep it safe out there. Rant over. By the way, the snow is killer in the Sierras right now. Gulfstorm..you should not try to go to cheep....you should not buy "straight skis" shaped skis are like power steering, and are the way to go for the last 10 years. 


Edited by snowskier2000 - 11/30/10 at 12:28am
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